Its never right away but where to start?
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Its never right away but where to start?
i just listened to the wired to hunt podcast and i have to say it should really open the eyes of some of us new beast bunters . there were some great comments that we all need to realize that this process does not come overnight in 1 season 2 seasons or even 3 seasons their is no timeline to this and cant be if you do put a timeline on it your gonna get frustrated over your failures and go back to your past habits and tactics . This is a whole learning process that is only for the people who really want to change, be successful, and learn from their own mistakes and successes. Absolutely no offense to anyone but i don't want this to be read the wrong way but, Ive learned also that i gotta be myself i cant be like Dan, JoeR, Dewey or anyone else on this forum that i really look up too or look forward to reading their posts . I gotta be me . Im gonna listen to them but I gotta be me I wanna be successful for me not for anyone else just me . and i wanna share what i've learned from Dan and you guys with anyone who wants to hear me ramble on . And no i am not an expert just confident . This style of hunting is really for people who like to bust their humps doing what they love to do and do it almost perfectionist like . The work i put in this past off season is the most i've ever put in to deer hunting ever and it actually changed me and changed my mindset for the better . it feels really good . I really busted my hump . I said before i was putting 50k steps on the ground easily every day and this was 4-5 days a week in mornings then if i found a bedding area which i've found a lot of bedding areas throughout the state i live in, id go back an hour before dark and drop milkweed and see what happens . right now i'm trying to plan hunting just in September and October 19 different bedding areas all in different locations and different terrains . It has become a bit somewhat overwhelming . i'm trying to break down the state i live in and break it down into three sections . almost like hunt near home early season hunt south de rut then north late season not saying ill follow that but i'm trying to plan things and areas . it will change due too wind, family stuff etc, but its how im dealing with all the data i obtained this off season . the thing i like about the bedding areas i've found is most of them are the small ones with many beds which Dan told me thats the ones you want to look for . . its gonna take awhile to figure out these bedding areas but at least i know what to look for . i've found over 60 bedding areas like this i'm pumped and excited to screw them all up lol
i like i've said before am not worried about killing a buck . do i want too ? yes i do but i'm taking my future seasons and focusing on the events and encounters i have with deer and learning why these things happened
and you know what? i've eaten tag soup i don't care about that . most likely i will but i guarantee i'm gonna learn a lot this year . Its where to start Planning and sorting all the data i've collected i'm having trouble with how do you guys deal with this ? especially all the vets on hear id love too hear from on this topic . Maybe there is a thread on this somewhere else but i couldn't really find it so sorry if there is one
i like i've said before am not worried about killing a buck . do i want too ? yes i do but i'm taking my future seasons and focusing on the events and encounters i have with deer and learning why these things happened
and you know what? i've eaten tag soup i don't care about that . most likely i will but i guarantee i'm gonna learn a lot this year . Its where to start Planning and sorting all the data i've collected i'm having trouble with how do you guys deal with this ? especially all the vets on hear id love too hear from on this topic . Maybe there is a thread on this somewhere else but i couldn't really find it so sorry if there is one
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I have 3 goals this season.
1. Find mature buck
2. Kill said mature buck
3. Get on film of the said kill of the said mature buck.
Everything I learn will be considered a success, but I'm in my hunting career where I still define shooting a buck on success. Failure is okay and I can deal with it. To me, I hate failing more than I love winning though. The drive and obsession for me gets to the point now where it is borderline unhealthy. I try to space it out year round now to help balance it out. But it won't stop until I kill a mature buck and get that sense of accomplishment and pride that so many have experienced. A lot of hunters talk about success and obsession. They say if you get a 100, you'll want a 125. When you get that 125 you'll want a 140 and so on. I get that, but for me if I kill a few 120s I'd feel better about myself and where I am at as a hunter. The drive and the fire is still hot inside of me, and I better utilize that energy to push myself.
1. Find mature buck
2. Kill said mature buck
3. Get on film of the said kill of the said mature buck.
Everything I learn will be considered a success, but I'm in my hunting career where I still define shooting a buck on success. Failure is okay and I can deal with it. To me, I hate failing more than I love winning though. The drive and obsession for me gets to the point now where it is borderline unhealthy. I try to space it out year round now to help balance it out. But it won't stop until I kill a mature buck and get that sense of accomplishment and pride that so many have experienced. A lot of hunters talk about success and obsession. They say if you get a 100, you'll want a 125. When you get that 125 you'll want a 140 and so on. I get that, but for me if I kill a few 120s I'd feel better about myself and where I am at as a hunter. The drive and the fire is still hot inside of me, and I better utilize that energy to push myself.
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Sorry, posted before I was done.
I think to be a successful "beast" you have to decide what is your priority...kill a deer vs gaining a better understanding of where mature bucks live and why they live in those areas. One piece that I have found very beneficial is just getting out in the woods. I live in Minneapolis and there are lots of spots 10-20 minutes from my house that you cant hunt, but are owned by the city that you can utilize. This past spring I used these areas as beast style hunting practice when I couldn't drive out to my main hunting spot. I found lots of good examples in these areas that increased my confidence in beast style confidence.
When I first came across the Hunting Beast I read some of the stuff and did some scouting but nothing serious.
2nd Year: I started to read more of the forums and bought Dan's videos. The visuals that the videos provided really started to make some of the concepts click. I did not hunt beast style last year but I did scout beast style and started to find the places Dan talks about in the videos.
3rd Year: This year I have dedicated my season to hunting 100% beast style. I have reached a tipping point where I get more pumped about finding a bed and putting together the pieces of why a buck is bedding in that spot. My goals this season are as follows:
1. See a buck get up out of his bed (any size)
2. Identify one primary bed
I think to be a successful "beast" you have to decide what is your priority...kill a deer vs gaining a better understanding of where mature bucks live and why they live in those areas. One piece that I have found very beneficial is just getting out in the woods. I live in Minneapolis and there are lots of spots 10-20 minutes from my house that you cant hunt, but are owned by the city that you can utilize. This past spring I used these areas as beast style hunting practice when I couldn't drive out to my main hunting spot. I found lots of good examples in these areas that increased my confidence in beast style confidence.
When I first came across the Hunting Beast I read some of the stuff and did some scouting but nothing serious.
2nd Year: I started to read more of the forums and bought Dan's videos. The visuals that the videos provided really started to make some of the concepts click. I did not hunt beast style last year but I did scout beast style and started to find the places Dan talks about in the videos.
3rd Year: This year I have dedicated my season to hunting 100% beast style. I have reached a tipping point where I get more pumped about finding a bed and putting together the pieces of why a buck is bedding in that spot. My goals this season are as follows:
1. See a buck get up out of his bed (any size)
2. Identify one primary bed
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I love ya man, but ya gotta use punctuation/ paragraphs.
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Re: Its never right away but where to start?
where to start Planning and sorting all the data i've collected i'm having trouble with how do you guys deal with this ?
I was having the same problem after spring scouting. Mapped it out in an excel spreadsheet. Broke out 200-400 acre sections with bedding areas per, which wind, why they’re there, and seasonal cover/ time of year, time to access stand.
Was still overwhelmed... would have took 60+ hunts to cover them all, so I picked my top 3-4 per section. Planning to hunt Ohio Oct-Nov, with 3-4 hunts per week. Some days I’ll get 2 per day with morning/evening sets, so I’ve reasonably only got 30ish hunts. Plotted access routes for each on HuntStand. Stacking as much as possible with some overlapping access that allows for the same day wind on that day’s sets.
I’ve got a couple guys + the wife that are just getting more serious and will tag along on 25% of those hunts. Going to share the access route with them through the app to the spots I don’t have time for. That’ll at least give me eyes on the ground to know if the spot is worth it and hopefully get them a good one.
Living in Cincy I hunt Ky WMAs a good bit too- same issue with about 50 bedding areas. Hitting my top 10 early season ones in September and will hopefully have closed the deal in Ohio before November so I can get back there for the rut. Depending on preseason observation sits and trail cams I might split time more evenly between the 2 states in prerut.
Same problem in TN. Heading there in December. Usually see the best action towards Christmas since their rifle season is open so long and is dying down by then.
The spreadsheet helps a ton. It’s a good place to keep annual notes for each spot too. I’m pretty paranoid about it though. If someone looked at it they’d know what Public I hunt but there’s no coordinates, just nicknames for each bedding area. It’s taken me a couple days to figure out what was what on more than one occasion. Probably need to rethink that strategy!
I was having the same problem after spring scouting. Mapped it out in an excel spreadsheet. Broke out 200-400 acre sections with bedding areas per, which wind, why they’re there, and seasonal cover/ time of year, time to access stand.
Was still overwhelmed... would have took 60+ hunts to cover them all, so I picked my top 3-4 per section. Planning to hunt Ohio Oct-Nov, with 3-4 hunts per week. Some days I’ll get 2 per day with morning/evening sets, so I’ve reasonably only got 30ish hunts. Plotted access routes for each on HuntStand. Stacking as much as possible with some overlapping access that allows for the same day wind on that day’s sets.
I’ve got a couple guys + the wife that are just getting more serious and will tag along on 25% of those hunts. Going to share the access route with them through the app to the spots I don’t have time for. That’ll at least give me eyes on the ground to know if the spot is worth it and hopefully get them a good one.
Living in Cincy I hunt Ky WMAs a good bit too- same issue with about 50 bedding areas. Hitting my top 10 early season ones in September and will hopefully have closed the deal in Ohio before November so I can get back there for the rut. Depending on preseason observation sits and trail cams I might split time more evenly between the 2 states in prerut.
Same problem in TN. Heading there in December. Usually see the best action towards Christmas since their rifle season is open so long and is dying down by then.
The spreadsheet helps a ton. It’s a good place to keep annual notes for each spot too. I’m pretty paranoid about it though. If someone looked at it they’d know what Public I hunt but there’s no coordinates, just nicknames for each bedding area. It’s taken me a couple days to figure out what was what on more than one occasion. Probably need to rethink that strategy!
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Re: Its never right away but where to start?
Whatever method you use to track all your spots, BACK IT UP! I kept all my spots and coordinates in excel. My freakin laptop bit the dust and I lost all my data, notes, and maps this summer. Now I have to go back and redo all of that. Luckily, I'm obsessed with this stuff and have most of it memorized except for GPS coordinates.
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That sounds like a part time job keeping up with all that stuff. I used to do things similar but for myself realized the majority of it was a waste of time. Over 90% of the stuff I put all that effort into was a waste and never panned out.
Now I just keep track of important stuff. Mainly dates and conditions. For example if I see a mature buck do anything ethier with my eyes or camera. I step back figure out what he was doing and what the conditions were and set up on it the next time those conditions come together. I expect that buck or any mature buck for that matter to do the same thing under the same set of circumstances
Now I just keep track of important stuff. Mainly dates and conditions. For example if I see a mature buck do anything ethier with my eyes or camera. I step back figure out what he was doing and what the conditions were and set up on it the next time those conditions come together. I expect that buck or any mature buck for that matter to do the same thing under the same set of circumstances
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RidgeGhost wrote:Whatever method you use to track all your spots, BACK IT UP! I kept all my spots and coordinates in excel. My freakin laptop bit the dust and I lost all my data, notes, and maps this summer. Now I have to go back and redo all of that. Luckily, I'm obsessed with this stuff and have most of it memorized except for GPS coordinates.
I suggest emailing a copy to yourself after each update. Quick and easy, and Google has lots of redundancy built in.
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Set up a naming convention for your notes/GPS. Mine is feature/point of interest, 4 digit number, year. I started tracking my scouting notes on my Garmin GPS in 2010, and was disorganized at first. Now I use above system.
Using the system I described works well for me. Here is an example. Let's say I scouted a property in 2010. The first oak tree I found, I marked White Oak-0001-2010, the second, White Oak-0002-2010. I mark rub lines, scrapes, isolated water holes, beds, major creek crossings, etc, If a spot looks exceptional, I make note of that with a "+". A single bed would be Buck Bed-0001-2010. However, if I find what I believe to be primary bedding, I mark it Buck bed+-0002-2010. Im to the point now, where my season consists of hunting areas that have proven to be good through scouting AND observation, and I work in a few new areas each season that I marked as "+", which look to be the highest potential spots based on scouting.
This system I use does a few things for me. 1. When i speed scout the following August, I can walk from oak tree to oak tree (or apple tree, or rubline, or scrape, or any other previous waypoints of interest). and see which ones (if any) are producing that year. I usually take a notebook, and note any that are producing, if there are any in the ground, any tracks, dropings, etc. This method has also allowed me to track spots where scraping occurs annually or relate buck activity any given year to mast crops, crop rotation, etc. This has really helped me see annual patterns. For example, I killed a buck in 2015 in an isolated white oak cluster near two bedding points. That area hasnt had a good acorn crop since (i check the white oaks every august) and hasnt had much for buck activity. So, now I only hunt that spot on good acorn years.
If I mark a scrape tree and it gets regular use the next 2-3 seasons, I know have a good october inventory spot. If i run the cam there 2-3 years, I can also narrow down the few days each year that see daylight scrape checking. I can also relate that perrenial scrape area to nearest bedding areas.
But....I can't do any of that without good organization. Define a system that works for you, then stick too it.
Using the system I described works well for me. Here is an example. Let's say I scouted a property in 2010. The first oak tree I found, I marked White Oak-0001-2010, the second, White Oak-0002-2010. I mark rub lines, scrapes, isolated water holes, beds, major creek crossings, etc, If a spot looks exceptional, I make note of that with a "+". A single bed would be Buck Bed-0001-2010. However, if I find what I believe to be primary bedding, I mark it Buck bed+-0002-2010. Im to the point now, where my season consists of hunting areas that have proven to be good through scouting AND observation, and I work in a few new areas each season that I marked as "+", which look to be the highest potential spots based on scouting.
This system I use does a few things for me. 1. When i speed scout the following August, I can walk from oak tree to oak tree (or apple tree, or rubline, or scrape, or any other previous waypoints of interest). and see which ones (if any) are producing that year. I usually take a notebook, and note any that are producing, if there are any in the ground, any tracks, dropings, etc. This method has also allowed me to track spots where scraping occurs annually or relate buck activity any given year to mast crops, crop rotation, etc. This has really helped me see annual patterns. For example, I killed a buck in 2015 in an isolated white oak cluster near two bedding points. That area hasnt had a good acorn crop since (i check the white oaks every august) and hasnt had much for buck activity. So, now I only hunt that spot on good acorn years.
If I mark a scrape tree and it gets regular use the next 2-3 seasons, I know have a good october inventory spot. If i run the cam there 2-3 years, I can also narrow down the few days each year that see daylight scrape checking. I can also relate that perrenial scrape area to nearest bedding areas.
But....I can't do any of that without good organization. Define a system that works for you, then stick too it.
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seazofcheeze wrote:Set up a naming convention for your notes/GPS. Mine is feature/point of interest, 4 digit number, year. I started tracking my scouting notes on my Garmin GPS in 2010, and was disorganized at first. Now I use above system.
Using the system I described works well for me. Here is an example. Let's say I scouted a property in 2010. The first oak tree I found, I marked White Oak-0001-2010, the second, White Oak-0002-2010. I mark rub lines, scrapes, isolated water holes, beds, major creek crossings, etc, If a spot looks exceptional, I make note of that with a "+". A single bed would be Buck Bed-0001-2010. However, if I find what I believe to be primary bedding, I mark it Buck bed+-0002-2010. Im to the point now, where my season consists of hunting areas that have proven to be good through scouting AND observation.
This system I use does a few things for me. 1. When i speed scout the following August, I can walk from oak tree to oak tree (or apple tree, or rubline, or scrape, or any other previous waypoints of interest). and see which ones (if any) are producing that year. I usually take a notebook, and note any that are producing, if there are any in the ground, any tracks, dropings, etc. This method has also allowed me to track spots where scraping occurs annually or relate buck activity any given year to mast crops, crop rotation, etc. This has really helped me see annual patterns. For example, I killed a buck in 2015 in an isolated white oak cluster near two bedding points. That area hasnt had a good acorn crop since (i check the white oaks every august) and hasnt had much for buck activity. So, now I only hunt that spot on good acorn years.
If I mark a scrape tree and it gets regular use the next 2-3 seasons, I know have a good october inventory spot. If i run the cam there 2-3 years, I can also narrow down the few days each year that see daylight scrape checking. I can also relate that perrenial scrape area to nearest bedding areas.
But....I can't do any of that without good organization. Define a system that works for you, then stick too it.
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I'm not saying there aren't easier/more efficient ways, but here's what I do.
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I keep annual logs for Spring scouting. Summer Scouting (and observations). Hunting. Of course each title includes the year. When I'm done adding all the info, I copy and paste it into a property log. That way I can cycle through years worth of notes for each property that I've hunted and scouted. It's not hard to do. I try and stay detailed and descriptive so when I re-read years later it all makes sense. You can also add pictures in Word if you want. Aerials, in the field pics, whatever.
I start out with the date.
Then the property.
Then wind direction.
Then ramble.
More than once I've read "really need to do this" or "need to look here again"... but haven't yet
WORD. As in Microsoft.
I keep annual logs for Spring scouting. Summer Scouting (and observations). Hunting. Of course each title includes the year. When I'm done adding all the info, I copy and paste it into a property log. That way I can cycle through years worth of notes for each property that I've hunted and scouted. It's not hard to do. I try and stay detailed and descriptive so when I re-read years later it all makes sense. You can also add pictures in Word if you want. Aerials, in the field pics, whatever.
I start out with the date.
Then the property.
Then wind direction.
Then ramble.
More than once I've read "really need to do this" or "need to look here again"... but haven't yet
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magicman54494 wrote:I love ya man, but ya gotta use punctuation/ paragraphs.
I got half way thru reading on my phone and had to give up. My old, tired eyes just couldnt take it.
I know magicman im awful
Ive always was bad at grammer punctuation etc
Sorry bro. Lol. I really love to write about things im passionate about.
I’ll work on it I promise
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I have been using Google Maps to organize the property, hunting and scouting data.
https://www.google.com/maps/about/mymaps/
You can create your own private map, create shapes, drop pins, way points, add notes and even pictures to whatever you drop on the map. Create multiple layers as well and then you can turn on and off the different layers. For example I have a layer with all private property, a layer with all public, I have layers by year for buck sightings, a layer for deer sign, bedding, rubs, scrapes, etc. and add notes to each pin/area I add. What is really convenient is that you can pull the map you created into your google maps on you smart phone. Haven't be able to edit the map from phone but maybe there is a way.
I would share what I have put together but that would be dumb. Currently have 17 different properties outlined and starting to drop pins on them collecting data. How I add the properties is through creating shapes and using free information on public properties, a lot of which are not shown on Google Maps. I also have onXmaps but really only use that for property boundaries and finding owners of private parcels I'm interested in. I think onXmaps has a similar thing on their site but you'll have to pay for it. Not entirely sure though.
Moving forward and getting into more detail, I plan on adding layers to the map for each wind direction. So I can filter based on the wind depending on the day and time. I am really new to the form and the HB style of hunting, thought I'd drop my .02 if interested. Think it will be a valuable tool for myself over the many years to come.
https://www.google.com/maps/about/mymaps/
You can create your own private map, create shapes, drop pins, way points, add notes and even pictures to whatever you drop on the map. Create multiple layers as well and then you can turn on and off the different layers. For example I have a layer with all private property, a layer with all public, I have layers by year for buck sightings, a layer for deer sign, bedding, rubs, scrapes, etc. and add notes to each pin/area I add. What is really convenient is that you can pull the map you created into your google maps on you smart phone. Haven't be able to edit the map from phone but maybe there is a way.
I would share what I have put together but that would be dumb. Currently have 17 different properties outlined and starting to drop pins on them collecting data. How I add the properties is through creating shapes and using free information on public properties, a lot of which are not shown on Google Maps. I also have onXmaps but really only use that for property boundaries and finding owners of private parcels I'm interested in. I think onXmaps has a similar thing on their site but you'll have to pay for it. Not entirely sure though.
Moving forward and getting into more detail, I plan on adding layers to the map for each wind direction. So I can filter based on the wind depending on the day and time. I am really new to the form and the HB style of hunting, thought I'd drop my .02 if interested. Think it will be a valuable tool for myself over the many years to come.
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My goals are not as high as many on here but I just want to be able to consistently bag one of the best bucks on the properties I hunt. So for me its easy to pick a place to start since there are probably a dozen or so target bucks every year spread across the various places I have scouted over the years. And there is no way I am going to be able to hunt in one season all of the spots I have scouted. Most seasons I hunt 3-4 different properties. Once season hits I try to get out and scout in season and confirm an area is getting used by bucks. Then I hunt certain bedding areas based on the most promising looking sign I find (or sometimes its a hunch).
To help me pick my areas of choice I periodically review my beast scouting reports and re watch my own video scouting notes and of course review maps. The key for me is keeping it fun and to keep learning. Dan says its not the big things you do different that get you a buck but instead its the little things, the details, and those details are what I try to think about when I am out in the field. I try have a reason for all the things that I do, and I find that the more purposeful I am with my hunts and scouting, the more satisfying and successful it is for me.
So for me, where to start is often random, but always purposeful.
To help me pick my areas of choice I periodically review my beast scouting reports and re watch my own video scouting notes and of course review maps. The key for me is keeping it fun and to keep learning. Dan says its not the big things you do different that get you a buck but instead its the little things, the details, and those details are what I try to think about when I am out in the field. I try have a reason for all the things that I do, and I find that the more purposeful I am with my hunts and scouting, the more satisfying and successful it is for me.
So for me, where to start is often random, but always purposeful.
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