Three years later?
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Three years later?
If it's one thing I am terrible at, it's identifying bucks from year to year. Here is Arrowbender's 2012 buck alongside a buck we filmed together in 2009. The tree he killed his buck in this year was probably the same tree we filmed the buck on right in 2009. Assuming the buck on the right is a yearling, which I think he is, it would make Arrowbender's 2012 a 4.5 yo, which is what we had guessed him at.
Similar features include the mainframe 8 and split G1 on the right side. Maybe even more matching though, are the markings on the ears of the two deer. So what does everyone think? Same deer?
Unfortunately we do not run a lot of trail cameras and I do not believe we have any pictures of this buck from 2010 or 2011.
Similar features include the mainframe 8 and split G1 on the right side. Maybe even more matching though, are the markings on the ears of the two deer. So what does everyone think? Same deer?
Unfortunately we do not run a lot of trail cameras and I do not believe we have any pictures of this buck from 2010 or 2011.
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Re: Three years later?
Based on coloration and antlers, I think it could very well be the same buck.
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Edcyclopedia wrote:That's a HUGE yearling.
Ed, he's for sure a yearling on the right. Our 2yo's are generally 100-120" and take some serious restraint to pass. On the right I'd say he's in the 70-90" gross range.
We cemumtum age our deer, so once we have the results of that process it will help confirm or deny that these are the same deer. If it comes back as a 4 year old, I would say the odds of him being the same go way up.
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James wrote:Edcyclopedia wrote:That's a HUGE yearling.
Ed, he's for sure a yearling on the right. Our 2yo's are generally 100-120" and take some serious restraint to pass. On the right I'd say he's in the 70-90" gross range.
We cemumtum age our deer, so once we have the results of that process it will help confirm or deny that these are the same deer. If it comes back as a 4 year old, I would say the odds of him being the same go way up.
Are you calling him a 1.5 or 2.5 year old deer, assumming it's hunting season...?
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Interesting. My guess is no. Big buck is an outer, young buck is an upper.Bucks normally carry that characteristic from, cradle to meat pole.
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Stanley wrote:Interesting. My guess is no. Big buck is an outer, young buck is an upper.Bucks normally carry that characteristic from, cradle to meat pole.
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Don't bucks typically grow out and up? Some genetics don't, but looking at this buck I don't see what you are seeing. Bring me deeper into your thoughts please.
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Edcyclopedia wrote:Are you calling him a 1.5 or 2.5 year old deer, assumming it's hunting season...?
1.5yo = yearling in my vocab, not sure if that's the kosher way to term them but that's what I say.
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dirt nap giver wrote:Don't bucks typically grow out and up? Some genetics don't, but looking at this buck I don't see what you are seeing. Bring me deeper into your thoughts please.
I hear ya, but they blow up so much from that young in a few years I believe they can change pretty dramatically. Bill Winke has an interesting story with the double G4 buck he killed this year and if you look at his rack through the 4 years he chased him, it changed a lot in the early years.
Again, I am terrible at tracking these guys year to year. Initially we thought this might be a buck we called Frosty that I filmed as a yearling in 2009 and Arrowbender passed as a fantastic 2yo in 2010, but we haven't seen him on cameras or in the stand since the 2010 season. That buck was also a mainframe 8. Here is a video of Frosty as a yearling and a year later as a 2yo. I don't think it's him this year. https://vimeo.com/16418622
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I am guessing they are two different deer like Stanley said. racks can change, but usually carry the same characteristics year to year.
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When I have a history of a buck drops, pictures, sightings.There is little doubt they are from the same buck.The only simularity I see is the sticker point. I did a thread on this awile back. Aging bucks check it out.I'm goat roped on tbis phone.
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Too hard to tell, but if I had to answer, I would say no
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White on the nose is different as well
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James wrote:Edcyclopedia wrote:Are you calling him a 1.5 or 2.5 year old deer, assumming it's hunting season...?
1.5yo = yearling in my vocab, not sure if that's the kosher way to term them but that's what I say.
Yeah - same in the North East (or at least how I recognize the terminology too)
Not busting your chops James it's just when I see that deer, and by my guesstimate, he's got 80'ish inches of antler, BUT, it's ALSO his body size that also adds to my age question...
He looks thick in the shoulders and appears to be growing what I like to call the chest chunk. (Although the picture isn't the best for a full guestimation on my part...)
So (IMO) the "Average" deer typically would not show this chest chunk* @ 1.5 years.
*However if his Dad was Shaq and his mother was Venus Williams and with proper food he certainly can be of the very high percentile...
My question reminded me of an article written fom the QDMA that I can relate to, and may or maynot be of any value, but makes me scratch my head a little when I see that pic.
Again, just curious and not creating contoversy...
This is the full article and also a blip below of what I'm thinking...
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Antler+sc ... 0302524707
Antler Score x Growth Factor = [glow=red]Predicted[/glow] Antler Score per Age Class
[glow=red]Age ---------- 1 1/2 - 2 1/2 - 3 1/2 - 4 1/2 - 5 1/2[/glow]
Growth Factor ------- x2.14 - x1.28 - x1.16 - x1.09
____________ 42 ___ 85 ___ 109____ 126___ 138
____________ 44 ___ 90 ___ 115____ 134 ___ 146
[glow=red]Antler Score[/glow] __47 ___ 95 ___ 122 ___ 141 ___ 154
____________ 49 ___ 100 __ 128 ___ 148 ___ 162
____________ 52 ___ 105 __ 134 ___ 156 ___ 170
The [glow=red]"Predicted"[/glow] statement of this article certainly is not fully scientific considering it's data, but gives a good starting point and appears reasonably accurrate for my neck of the woods.
And/or for most bucks I see our Beasts post, even for their regions.
Granted if this where a Canadian Bodied deer I might be swayed in my viewpoint a bit...
Again there is always the exception for every rule and @ 1 .5 years old he will be as big as ArrowBender Buck WHICH is UNDOUBTABLY a GOLIATH! Nice job by the way!!!
Good post James...
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My guess would be no. Young buck's beams go up, big buck's go out. I am no expert but that is what I am seeing. Although the face/neck coloring look very close.
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