ThePreBanMan wrote:stash59 wrote:Yeah and I believe everything Joe Biden is saying too. Of course they're gonna say moose were on the decline before wolf introduction. You really think they're gonna cop to something like that. I know guys that hunted moose outside the park in units that bordered it. Moose sightings dropped drastically within 4-5 years after the wolf introductions. But I'm sure that was just a coincedence. The NPS and the USF&W service haven't got any agendas to push. RIGHT!!! They lied at the original meetings held with the locals in the Greater Yellowstone area. And are still lieing to them. That's wrong. And I'm a guy that feels wolves have their place. But why should Wisconsinites have to put up with over 5 times the number of wolves originally agreed upon by everyone. Just to appease a bunch of misinformed easterners. Besides wolves are no where near the extinction level. When you look at them globally.
I know I'm no scientist. But I know what severe erosion looks like. And I never saw it on my visits to Yellowstone.
Okay, now you're accusing scientists of willingly deceiving people. If you're going to make statements like that then you need facts and evidence to back it up. Those same scientists use tools like aerial surveys with FLIR equipment to measure populations... I'm not sure "moose sighting" by hunters rises to the same standard of accuracy when it comes to measurements of a population. They could just be lousy hunters... Or the animals could have moved to land they don't have access to or any other number of factors.
If you've got hard evidence they're lying... Then let's see it... Otherwise, I would suggest sticking to the actual measurable and verifiable facts when making your point. Calling anyone a liar, and offering zero evidence to support the accusation is not a good look man....
I’m still trying to figure out what the Yellowstone ecosystem has to do with a wolf hunt in Wisconsin?
Lets stick to the topic. Unless you have actual firsthand experience in WI with the wolf packs I can’t grasp how you can act like an authority on the subject. Not being sarcastic just being a realist. At some point you have to gracefully bow out of a conversation realizing your in over your head and just listen to the experiences of people who actually live with this stuff every single day of their lives.
I think you should take VilasCo up on his offer and see things firsthand. Nothing better than real world experience to quickly put things in perspective.
The science is there. We need a wolf hunt to manage the numbers.