kenn1320 wrote:What area are you speaking of DS, Howell? Howell is not where I hunt, with exception to my neighbors pine farm of 10 acres. While I have hunted all over the state, my family has been focused on hunting the thumb area. DNR studies reveal that 95% of all bucks are shot yearly in that area. However now that QDM is catching on, that is all changing. One of the largest bucks shot in 2010 came out of the thumb area. It does come down to what property you have to hunt in many cases. Many years I have hunted all season and never seen a shooter on private land. Then I go to Ohio for 4 days and see lots of shooters on public land. ...
I don't know anything about the studies you seen, but the numbers I have seen reported over the past 10-15 years have ranged from 61% to 76% yearling buck kill depending on the specific area down there. I wish they would make it easier to find that information so I could try to find something recent without putting in a ton of time. I know a few people that hunt the thumb and see some very nice bucks. They don't get them very often, but they see them. The Memphis area is about as far East as I have been. When I look at the state record book the thumb has a lot less entries than some of the better counties like Washtenaw and Jackson, but each one still produces as many or more than all five of the counties I hunt combined. I guess that doesn't say much for where I hunt.
Hopefully I can get mobile and start hunting better counties. Right now if I don't have a place to stay I don't hunt there and that needs to change. I need to be mobile yet affordable.
As for Ohio.... ya, it smokes Michigan! Then again, so dose indiana, illinois, Wisconsin, Kentucky and well..... pretty much everybody.
I plan to hunt Ohio this year. I will be going cold turkey, no prior scouting so I'm not counting on a kill, but I'll give it my best shot. We do have some awesome hunting here, but it seems impossible to get permission.
kenn1320 wrote:...As for the state loosing money, they could charge $30 for the single buck tag. That would still put them below average for our region. Since most do not get that second buck, whats the difference? They are paying $30 for a combo and getting 1 buck anyway. I know, I have heard guys cry they will not hunt if Michigan raises the license fee. Gee last time I took my family of 4 out to dinner, or to the movies it cost me $30 for ONE NIGHTS ENTERTAINMENT. For guys to say $30 is to much to pay for 3 months of access to the outdoors is foolish. Heck a 3 pack of rage broad heads is $40 and people cant justify paying more then $15 for a license? I wont even mention how much many pay to throw bait on the ground...
Just think of the ridicules outcry and political up evil when they try to up the price even $1! Now try to take away a buck tag and more than double the price. I just don't see in happening in Michigan. I completely agree with you about licence costs. I get frustrated about all the complaining of a license costing to much when the DNR wants to raise the price for desperately needed money. Given the states past track record I can understand them not trusting the state to spend it where they say, but to throw a giant fit over a $1? That is just unbelievable. The state is afraid to raise fees even a dollar let alone $16 so I don't think this would be realistic. Even if the chance of a mature buck is very small people really like having that second tag so they can still hunt for that once in a life time buck and as long as we have the proper antler restrictions on that second tag I don't see a reason to change that. Remember that whether we have one tag or our current system that first tag only has a 3" antler restriction on it. There dose need to be adjustments made to the restrictions on the second tag for area's like zone 3.
kenn1320 wrote:...As for antler rules, we shouldn't need them, but unfortunately we may have to implement them to see big change. Im so glad we have TV and the youth hunt. Our future generations have an entirely different outlook on this. Heck I saw a dead spike last week and showed my kids. I said bummer to my son, that could have been your buck(fingers crossed they remove the min age limit this year). He said yeah, but why would I want to shoot that little buck? He wants a big one he says, and he is 8yrs old. I explained to him that I have been hunting how many years and never got one. I said there is nothing wrong with shooting a buck like that, we all have to start somewhere. I said shoot a few and then you can get picky. My wife was the same way when I took her out. We had a 6pnt walk right by us and I motioned for her to take the shot, but she didn't. I whispered over to her, why didn't you shoot? She said it was a small one. IF it wasnt for TV, neither of them would have a clue whats big or small. Heck they might think I was a big buck hunter if all they knew was the basket racks I have. lol
I wish we didn't need AR's but we really do. The DNR promotes voluntary participation, but that hasn't worked and isn't practicle where most people hunt here. That's cool what your son said. If I take a newbie out and they want to pass a yearling I tell them they can't kill what isn't there so go ahead and shoot anything legal (I don't have enough big buck spots so I rarely take newbies to one). I let them know I would prefer they don't shoot a button buck if they can help it, but I assure them that if they do I will be just as happy for them.