Difficult situation what's your thoughts.

[Wannabelikedan]

Going off gps per onX, you can sit still and the beacon will always float around your position. The locating beacon will always migrate back and forth because it’s constantly sending a signal that can only be so exact. I wouldn’t worry about it. Get in there when it’s right and kill one.

[greenhorndave]

Going off gps per onX, you can sit still and the beacon will always float around your position. The locating beacon will always migrate back and forth because it’s constantly sending a signal that can only be so exact. I wouldn’t worry about it. Get in there when it’s right and kill one.

This makes good sense to me!

[BA-IV]

Just hunt it, deal with whatever happens AFTER you kill the buck!

[Tennhunter3]

Uncle and dad seem to think he may be trying to slightly change the boundary.

For his or buddies hunting property on private to keep public hunters away from their area.

Or he knows the owner of that property next to it and when they log it they can take the trees for their personal income.

I did think it odd he went on defence as if he was caught.

Instead of just saying sure I'll go check it out when I have time like most wardens would have done and left it at that.

[Jonny]

If onx and county gis both agree I trust that and don’t ask any more questions. I always back up onx with a second official source. Don’t think onx will hold up in court but I’ll take my chances with a government surveyed map.

Nothing wrong with playing it safe though. It’s only a deer. Not really worth all the legal trouble

[Findian]

Why don’t you go looking for the corner posts or do they not do that for public/private land down there?

[Tennhunter3]

Why don’t you go looking for the corner posts or do they not do that for public/private land down there?

Some places do havent tried to look in this area.
Most just have a old rusted stake in the ground.

[tim]

If it’s that much of an issue, say you go in there and hunt it and kill one and it runs on private anyways....then what. If owners don’t give permission you gonna call that warden

[ThePreBanMan]

OnXand aerial maps are often times far from accurate. The Mass online GIS maps say my property line runs through my garage...

If you want to be 100% sure you have to have a survey done. That would be at your expense and would pretty much advertise your intent and commitment to the spot.

I would just move on. There are plenty of fish in the sea...


But if you insist.... Everyone had a boss. Compile your evidence and send it to his, or the division head of the agency he works for.

2nd. Report it to the govonnor's office you suspect he was drinking on the job. Reporting it to a different branch of gov is important because his buddies can't sweep it under the rug. They'll be accountable to the administration now. If his boss has any clue at all he will already have some suspicion. This will force his hand.

Accept the consequences of your choices. This may not work out and you'll have to not only wrote off the spot, but probably the area in which the warden serves.

[RidgeGhost]

Do whatever you want but county tax map and onx boundaries are wrong more than they are right around me. The painted boundary should have been surveyed and should be right.

I've wondered about this. I run into lots of places where the painted line/onX/gis don't agree. I'm not sure which one trumps the other, legally.

I have also seen posted signs that were clearly on public by 100 yards or more.

The way I look at it, when I hunt those spots, I make sure I have multiple sources of data showing that I'm allowed to be there.

[Cvanheel]

If it were me i would call the game warden, and say i was having a bad day,and was sorry for getting lippy with him. Then i would either find a way to hunt the bedding a little further away back on the right side of were he had it marked, or I would just forget about that bedding area, and move on find other bedding.

But I truly don't believe I was wrong by what I said it was the truth just not a polite truth.

Your more then likely not wrong, but with some law officers i have learned that arguing with them gets you nowhere. Sometimes saying your sorry will though especially if you go out of your way to do it. A few years ago I had a similar situation to yours. He was wrong I knew he was, and I argued it till my lips turned blue. All I ended up doing was putting myself on his radar, and making him mad. After talking to an old friend of mine i decided to take his advice, and I called that game warden. explained who I was told him i was sorry for the way i had acted that i was a little hot headed at times. Mr. warden responded he was sorry. That he was having a bad day as well. That he thought that he was right, and that my attitude towards him sealed the deal. He had later looked it up and found out that he was wrong, but had no way of getting a hold of me. To this very day that warden, and I are friends, and we actually have plans to do some hunting together this year. idk i'm sure it probably doesn't work out that way most of the time.

[Horizontal Hunter]

Uncle and dad seem to think he may be trying to slightly change the boundary.

For his or buddies hunting property on private to keep public hunters away from their area.

Or he knows the owner of that property next to it and when they log it they can take the trees for their personal income.

I did think it odd he went on defence as if he was caught.

Instead of just saying sure I'll go check it out when I have time like most wardens would have done and left it at that.

This happens more than one would think.

I have seen public land posted by neighbors to extent “their“ property and keep others off. I have also seen them put up a gate on the access to keep people out and the state let the gate stand for many years.

I have a friend who was threatened with arrest by a warden for being on his (the warden’s) friends private property when he was on public WMA. After several repeated complaints the warden was reassigned.

The bottom line for me is that I use my gps, ONX, and maps to make sure that I know where I am and I hunt accordingly.

I never invite “The Man” into my life. Nothing good can come of it IME.

Bob

[A5BLASTER]

If this wma is owned by a timber company and leased by the state to use as a wma. Contact the timber company for a correct property line map.

Timber company's are required by law to keep accurate and up to date survey maps.

I have run into this very problem on the wma's I hunt and each time it was a warden either being payed by a private land owner to move the border for them to have more land to hunt or the warden was kin to the private land owner and they were stealing land to hunt on.

[Andyschulte]

I’d stay on the public side of the red marked trees. Last thing you’d need is to get hammered with trespassing or poaching.

[Tennhunter3]

OnXand aerial maps are often times far from accurate. The Mass online GIS maps say my property line runs through my garage...

If you want to be 100% sure you have to have a survey done. That would be at your expense and would pretty much advertise your intent and commitment to the spot.

I would just move on. There are plenty of fish in the sea...


But if you insist.... Everyone had a boss. Compile your evidence and send it to his, or the division head of the agency he works for.

2nd. Report it to the govonnor's office you suspect he was drinking on the job. Reporting it to a different branch of gov is important because his buddies can't sweep it under the rug. They'll be accountable to the administration now. If his boss has any clue at all he will already have some suspicion. This will force his hand.

Accept the consequences of your choices. This may not work out and you'll have to not only wrote off the spot, but probably the area in which the warden serves.

If he was or wasn't drinking I have no solid evidence and it would further create conflict between me and him. I do have intent to hunt this wma again.

Sure I have many other spots to hunt.

I just tried to do the right thing in saying i think one of their lines is off. I took time out of my day to go talk to the gentleman. I didn't go to start conflict only to do the right thing.

His stern refusal to even go look at the line or say he would at a later date seemed quite odd.
The line was far enough off I found it important to say something if it had been 10 yards I never would have said a word.

This experience has taught me that wardens will always see themselves as correct and every other person wrong. Kinda sad that just because they obtain a degree they automatically know more then everyone else.

I've walked probably 20 wma edges in this wma it's in pieces and all others have been very close to the county and onyx.

Honestly I could've just hunted the spot and noone would've said a thing. Whether the wma line is moved or not wouldn't have affected if I hunted it or not. The marking are on the outside of the trees facing the neighbors property their is no clear boundary from the Wma side or posted signs of the neighbors. I just honestly felt it was quite a bit off so I mentioned it to him.

Obviously I made a mistake by trying to do the right thing. I think hunters deserve for lines to be marked fairly be it wma or private.

With no line being visible from the wma side and going in before daylight your flashlight would never hit a boundary. Plus GPS would not pass the state or onyx boundary. So in this case in court I think I would be in the clear.