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Difficult situation what's your thoughts.

Unread postby Tennhunter3 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:23 am

I found a buck bedding area and the gis, county maps and onyx say that I'm on public by at least 60 yards.

The wma boundary shows I'm over the boundary line by 12 yards.

I went and discussed this with the game warden.
I asked sir can you please look at this and recheck the boundary lines.

His response was the red boundary lines are correct and I'm not wrong marking. But when I walk his boundary paint they zig zag in and out of a clearcut and are not in straight line. They zig zag across a bottom it was like he just went tree to tree spraying whatever he felt like doing.

When I talked to the warden I'm pretty sure I smelled alcohol on his breath. I truly think that he was not sober when he marked the boundary. One tree will be red the next one 20 feet infront of that one will be red.

My response I kinda put my foot in my mouth and spoke my mind. Sir are you not even open to the fact that a line you marked may be wrong. Are you willing to even check it? His response no.
I said well it sounds like to me you can never accept the fact that you may be wrong. I'm a outspoken person and I that can rub people the wrong way. I spoke a little too fast and said what came to mind.

His response well I think I deserve more respect then that.

Now I really don't know what to do I offended a warden. Now he may have it in for me just because I questioned something he did.

So I'm frustrated what should I do in this situation?

3 different maps show I'm on public but wma boundary doesnt.


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Re: Difficult situation what's your thoughts.

Unread postby Cvanheel » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:47 am

If it were me i would call the game warden, and say i was having a bad day,and was sorry for getting lippy with him. Then i would either find a way to hunt the bedding a little further away back on the right side of were he had it marked, or I would just forget about that bedding area, and move on find other bedding.
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Unread postby Tennhunter3 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:57 am

The landowner next to it has no signs.

I'm scared to go talk to the property owner because he would go hunt the good spot.

I'm kinda thinking I may just setup on the property line tree and try to squeeze a arrow through brush.
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Unread postby PK_ » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:59 am

Perhaps the warden made himself a honey hole :lol:
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Unread postby Tennhunter3 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:59 am

Cvanheel wrote:If it were me i would call the game warden, and say i was having a bad day,and was sorry for getting lippy with him. Then i would either find a way to hunt the bedding a little further away back on the right side of were he had it marked, or I would just forget about that bedding area, and move on find other bedding.


But I truly don't believe I was wrong by what I said it was the truth just not a polite truth.
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Unread postby Bonecrusher101 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:04 am

You’re a better man than me brother. I most likely would have hunted it and asked for forgiveness later if needed. I hunt a lot of public and I haven’t seen or talked to a warden during hunting season in years.

Now, he knows it’s a good spot to hunt or you wouldn’t have gone through the effort. So he might tell others to hunt there if given the opportunity. And yeah, if he knows you and your vehicle he might have it in for you come hunting season.

Think you might be best finding another spot. Good luck man!
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Re: Difficult situation what's your thoughts.

Unread postby Tribute80 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:06 am

I would not question him again. The game warden is going to be right 99% of the time when it comes to a public land boundary dispute. Are you prepared to defend ONX in court or pay a surveyor. I would maybe ask another game warden, contact the DNR and suggest its marked wrong or find the land owner and ask permission. Let your wallet be your guide
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Re: Difficult situation what's your thoughts.

Unread postby ODH » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:09 am

Tennhunter3 wrote:I found a buck bedding area and the gis, county maps and onyx say that I'm on public by at least 60 yards.

The wma boundary shows I'm over the boundary line by 12 yards.


Is the bed 12 yards over? Or your stand site? Assuming your stand will be circa 50 yards away from the bed then I think at this point all you can really do is focus on which way that buck is going to walk when he gets up.

While you are right to question it, I’m just guessing that if he would be walking toward private you weren’t going to get him anyway.
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Re: Difficult situation what's your thoughts.

Unread postby Tennhunter3 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:14 am

What bothers me is I tried to do the right thing rather then just hunting it.
Like normal I tried to be honest and yet again I'm punished for it.

Chances are noone would've ever said a word.
Wardens seem about as good as tits on a bull.
I did what was morally right in saying hey I think this is off please go investgate it.

This is the last time I go talk to a warden about a issue.
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Re: Difficult situation what's your thoughts.

Unread postby muddy » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:17 am

So you were there the day he was marking it?

I'd have never said a word to the warden and just came back and hunted it. It's hard to keep a straight line when marking trees anyway IMO so likely he was doing the best he could on a hot day.

Chances are good he isnt going to give 2 turds about your conversation anyway and you can still hunt it with no worries. In my opinion I think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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Re: Difficult situation what's your thoughts.

Unread postby Tennhunter3 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:19 am

ODH wrote:
Tennhunter3 wrote:I found a buck bedding area and the gis, county maps and onyx say that I'm on public by at least 60 yards.

The wma boundary shows I'm over the boundary line by 12 yards.


Is the bed 12 yards over? Or your stand site? Assuming your stand will be circa 50 yards away from the bed then I think at this point all you can really do is focus on which way that buck is going to walk when he gets up.

While you are right to question it, I’m just guessing that if he would be walking toward private you weren’t going to get him anyway.



The bedding area is on public by about 20 yards.
With a clearcut the trees are severely limited and very thick it's about 15 feet high cut. The perfect setup tree is 12 yards over the wma boundary.

The buck should leave the clearcut bedding and follow the transition which also is the marked twra line to water.

If I setup too far in my rising thermal goes to another buck bed . And it is tiny trees and super thick visibility. I was wanting to move on the other side of his trail to get my thermal to pull away from both bedding areas.
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Re: Difficult situation what's your thoughts.

Unread postby brancher147 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:20 am

Do whatever you want but county tax map and onx boundaries are wrong more than they are right around me. The painted boundary should have been surveyed and should be right.
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Re: Difficult situation what's your thoughts.

Unread postby ODH » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:25 am

Tennhunter3 wrote:
ODH wrote:
Tennhunter3 wrote:I found a buck bedding area and the gis, county maps and onyx say that I'm on public by at least 60 yards.

The wma boundary shows I'm over the boundary line by 12 yards.


Is the bed 12 yards over? Or your stand site? Assuming your stand will be circa 50 yards away from the bed then I think at this point all you can really do is focus on which way that buck is going to walk when he gets up.

While you are right to question it, I’m just guessing that if he would be walking toward private you weren’t going to get him anyway.



The bedding area is on public by about 20 yards.
With a clearcut the trees are severely limited and very thick it's about 15 feet high cut. The perfect setup tree is 12 yards over the wma boundary.

The buck should leave the clearcut bedding and follow the transition which also is the marked twra line to water.

If I setup too far in my rising thermal goes to another buck bed . And it is tiny trees and super thick visibility. I was wanting to move on the other side of his trail to get my thermal to pull away from both bedding areas.



Makes sense. Then would a ground setup possibly work? You may also have to wonder whether the private side owner will let you retrieve a dead deer if he goes that way after the fact. Good luck with the opportunity.
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Re: Difficult situation what's your thoughts.

Unread postby Tennhunter3 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:25 am

muddy wrote:So you were there the day he was marking it?

I'd have never said a word to the warden and just came back and hunted it. It's hard to keep a straight line when marking trees anyway IMO so likely he was doing the best he could on a hot day.

Chances are good he isnt going to give 2 turds about your conversation anyway and you can still hunt it with no worries. In my opinion I think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.


Course I wasn't but when I say the line isn't straight like it's way way off. Most of it isn't even pointed in the same direction. A 12 year old with a can of paint could've drawn as good of a property line.

As far as making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Probably I highly doubt anyone would've ever known if I'd just hunted it.

I tried to do what was right and it led me to this mess.
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Re: Difficult situation what's your thoughts.

Unread postby Tennhunter3 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:35 am

This is the best way to describe it.
The pink line is the boundary wma it just follows clearcut weaving.

As you can see it's a good 60 plus yards or more to the red onyx lines.

The red is onyx ,and county survey boundary.
Red is buck beds
Green my setup
Blue my entry.

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