Why Anti Crossbow?

[Racks&Beards]

I don't care what method anyone uses so long as it's a legal one. I've shot a crossbow before and it was fun and kinda cool, but I personally don't plan on ever using one to hunt with unless I just can't pull back a bow.

[Bman409]

Bman, glad you have opportunities to get out and the crossbow hunting expands that, I truly am. That said, I've shot both, to imply the difference is miniscule just doesn't past muster for me. I don't particularly care other than personal preference in my case, but hunting with an X-bow is easier. Drawing the bow with the animal there is hard. Aiming without a scope and the ability to rest and steady yourself is harder.

In your gun example you're still talking about weapons in the rifled slug gun and open sights 30-30 with precision accuracy out past 100 yards. I've killed deer at that range with an open sighted 30-30, heck of a lot easier than a deer at 30 with a compound, imo anyways.

Just for the sake of conversation, I think those kinds of notions are what rile up some guys. Its human nature to some extent. If you do something more difficult, its hard not to measure that against thing that are easier. Honestly, that's probably 90% of the reason archery hunting still exists as a sport, the challenge of it. Once guns were invented and perfected, if it was truly just about maximizing success rate and efficiency, there is no reason to use a bow of any type. Many folks like to challenge themselves. There really is no reason to bowhunt other than the longer season and greater challenge. The longer season is by and large dictated by the accepted notion that it is more difficult.That exists on a spectrum and there is nothing wrong with that. Traditional is harder that compound, compound harder than X bow, X bow harder that Muzzie...etc.

I'm all in on whatever floats your boat, but can see the arguments for more limited seasons for Xbows too. I've shot a handful of friends and families. Generally pick it up, crank it back, punch the 12 ring.

I'm not saying that a crossbow and a compound bow are equal in difficulty, etc. They ARE however approximately equal in range (both about 40 yards, max) and knock-down/killing power.

it is easier with a crossbow? It probably is

The point I"m making is that in the firearms season you can use an open sight 30-30 which is maybe good out to 120 yards.. or you can use a scoped rifle that shoots 400 yards. My cousin's husband has custom built rifles and he and his kids shoot deer at 700 yards distance across mountain valleys in PA. That takes FAR less skill than killing one with a rifled slug gun. But so what? Since when is it a CONTEST?

What i'm saying is open it up.... don't make it restrictive.. States like Ohio, PA understand it.. I doubt NY ever will.

[Kraftd]

Bman, glad you have opportunities to get out and the crossbow hunting expands that, I truly am. That said, I've shot both, to imply the difference is miniscule just doesn't past muster for me. I don't particularly care other than personal preference in my case, but hunting with an X-bow is easier. Drawing the bow with the animal there is hard. Aiming without a scope and the ability to rest and steady yourself is harder.

In your gun example you're still talking about weapons in the rifled slug gun and open sights 30-30 with precision accuracy out past 100 yards. I've killed deer at that range with an open sighted 30-30, heck of a lot easier than a deer at 30 with a compound, imo anyways.

Just for the sake of conversation, I think those kinds of notions are what rile up some guys. Its human nature to some extent. If you do something more difficult, its hard not to measure that against thing that are easier. Honestly, that's probably 90% of the reason archery hunting still exists as a sport, the challenge of it. Once guns were invented and perfected, if it was truly just about maximizing success rate and efficiency, there is no reason to use a bow of any type. Many folks like to challenge themselves. There really is no reason to bowhunt other than the longer season and greater challenge. The longer season is by and large dictated by the accepted notion that it is more difficult.That exists on a spectrum and there is nothing wrong with that. Traditional is harder that compound, compound harder than X bow, X bow harder that Muzzie...etc.

I'm all in on whatever floats your boat, but can see the arguments for more limited seasons for Xbows too. I've shot a handful of friends and families. Generally pick it up, crank it back, punch the 12 ring.

I'm not saying that a crossbow and a compound bow are equal in difficulty, etc. They ARE however approximately equal in range (both about 40 yards, max) and knock-down/killing power.

it is easier with a crossbow? It probably is

The point I"m making is that in the firearms season you can use an open sight 30-30 which is maybe good out to 120 yards.. or you can use a scoped rifle that shoots 400 yards. My cousin's husband has custom built rifles and he and his kids shoot deer at 700 yards distance across mountain valleys in PA. That takes FAR less skill than killing one with a rifled slug gun. But so what? Since when is it a CONTEST?

What i'm saying is open it up.... don't make it restrictive.. States like Ohio, PA understand it.. I doubt NY ever will.

Bman, hope its clear, I'm just chatting about this. Its not a contest to me, just parsing out a little how these discussions.arguments tend to go. The counter to the open it up becomes why not just have one blanket any weapon season from October 1 through December 31 or something like that? Maybe someday numbers will get low enough where that works in spots. I don't know that there is a right answer here.

[DaveT1963]

What's next? This?

https://youtu.be/8DSi-12VUtQ

[Bman409]

Bman, glad you have opportunities to get out and the crossbow hunting expands that, I truly am. That said, I've shot both, to imply the difference is miniscule just doesn't past muster for me. I don't particularly care other than personal preference in my case, but hunting with an X-bow is easier. Drawing the bow with the animal there is hard. Aiming without a scope and the ability to rest and steady yourself is harder.

In your gun example you're still talking about weapons in the rifled slug gun and open sights 30-30 with precision accuracy out past 100 yards. I've killed deer at that range with an open sighted 30-30, heck of a lot easier than a deer at 30 with a compound, imo anyways.

Just for the sake of conversation, I think those kinds of notions are what rile up some guys. Its human nature to some extent. If you do something more difficult, its hard not to measure that against thing that are easier. Honestly, that's probably 90% of the reason archery hunting still exists as a sport, the challenge of it. Once guns were invented and perfected, if it was truly just about maximizing success rate and efficiency, there is no reason to use a bow of any type. Many folks like to challenge themselves. There really is no reason to bowhunt other than the longer season and greater challenge. The longer season is by and large dictated by the accepted notion that it is more difficult.That exists on a spectrum and there is nothing wrong with that. Traditional is harder that compound, compound harder than X bow, X bow harder that Muzzie...etc.

I'm all in on whatever floats your boat, but can see the arguments for more limited seasons for Xbows too. I've shot a handful of friends and families. Generally pick it up, crank it back, punch the 12 ring.

I'm not saying that a crossbow and a compound bow are equal in difficulty, etc. They ARE however approximately equal in range (both about 40 yards, max) and knock-down/killing power.

it is easier with a crossbow? It probably is

The point I"m making is that in the firearms season you can use an open sight 30-30 which is maybe good out to 120 yards.. or you can use a scoped rifle that shoots 400 yards. My cousin's husband has custom built rifles and he and his kids shoot deer at 700 yards distance across mountain valleys in PA. That takes FAR less skill than killing one with a rifled slug gun. But so what? Since when is it a CONTEST?

What i'm saying is open it up.... don't make it restrictive.. States like Ohio, PA understand it.. I doubt NY ever will.

Bman, hope its clear, I'm just chatting about this. Its not a contest to me, just parsing out a little how these discussions.arguments tend to go. The counter to the open it up becomes why not just have one blanket any weapon season from October 1 through December 31 or something like that? Maybe someday numbers will get low enough where that works in spots. I don't know that there is a right answer here.

Understood.. You make a good point.. I guess no matter what they come up with, someone is going to be upset.. lol.. have a good one

[mipubbucks24]

[Archivist13]

I have to say that I've seen this topic "discussed" elsewhere and this is by far the most mature discussion of the topic after reading through all the posts. I don't care what anybody uses as long as it's legal. A few years ago I bought one because I thought they were neat and wanted to try something different. I have hunted with it many times, as well as with my rifle, shotgun, and compound bow. To me it is another tool to get the job done. Other than ground hunting, which is a nice option to have now, I haven't felt the crossbow has really given me much of an advantage over any other bow. I still hunt in thick stuff and shot distance is limited anyways. When I was having major back issues a couple years ago, it was the only thing allowing me to get into the woods during archery. I'm only 43 now and it kept me in the game, so I'm happy had/have the option of using it.

[gsquared23]

Simply stated, crossbows don’t require 5% of the skill, calm or practice that it takes to become proficient at shooting a vertical bow. Out to 50 yards, it functions much like a pistol, with similar accuracy and the ability to shoot off a rest. I’m not interested in outlawing their use, but with few exceptions (age and disability) they should NOT be allowed during the normal archery season as they in no way are a form of archery for the above mentioned reasons. My state legalized them simply for the boosts in revenue. And because the auto insurance lobby is as strong as ever.

[Chuck B]

I am really sick of the “No different than the compound versus traditional” argument.

Shooting a cross gun with no pull back, scope, etc is SO SO SO much different than shooting a bow (trad or compound).

Shooting a trad versus a compound is like driving a 2 wheel drive car versus a nice 4 wheel drive truck.

Shooting a crossbow is like flying an airplane.

Apples and oranges.

With that being said, I am not 100 percent against xbows, I am just sick of that argument.

[Swedishbowhunter]

[quote="Chuck B"]I am really sick of the “No different than the compound versus traditional” argument.

Shooting a cross gun with no pull back, scope, etc is SO SO SO much different than shooting a bow (trad or compound).

Shooting a trad versus a compound is like driving a 2 wheel drive car versus a nice 4 wheel drive truck.

Shooting a crossbow is like flying an airplane.

Apples and oranges.

With that being said, I am not 100 percent against xbows, I am just sick of that argument.[/qu

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