PA Kids Torturing and Beating a Buck

[PredatoronthePrairie]

Did u watch the video?
These kids are borderline psychotic, to see an animal in pain/distress. Then decide the best coarse of action is to kick/torture it and laugh and video tape it. Sick

They need to be locked up for a couple years.
Then take some serious classes to get help along
with making them work in animal shelters every weekend for the next few years.

[mipubbucks24]

What these kids did was terrible, and wrong on so many levels. But I too was young “Dumb” once and had a run in with the law. I do not wish for the rest of these kids lives to be ruined because of 20 minutes of stupid.

I ask many on this board to think about what their punishment would have been for this 50 years ago.

I don’t know what it would have been but I can guarantee you it would not have been 7 years in jail. They need to get the crap fined out of them 15/20K, they need to spend a few nights in jail, they need to be put on probation, and do community service, but they don’t need this thing to be carried with them for 20/30 years.

[DEERSLAYER]

Unless these kids have criminal records they will not come close to getting the maximum, but I'm glad to see we are making some progress as a society & making sure this is treated seriously. Too many people seem to dismiss morals when it comes to hunting. At least some people are realizing how wrong this is. Hopefully the seriousness of the situation & the penalties will help set these kids right.

I'm glad there are still hunters out there that think this is a big deal. I see too many hunters with apathy & a major disconnect with animals. I applaud & have great respect for anyone that has the empathy to see how wrong this is.

[raisins]

What these kids did was terrible, and wrong on so many levels. But I too was young “Dumb” once and had a run in with the law. I do not wish for the rest of these kids lives to be ruined because of 20 minutes of stupid.

I ask many on this board to think about what their punishment would have been for this 50 years ago.

I don’t know what it would have been but I can guarantee you it would not have been 7 years in jail. They need to get the crap fined out of them 15/20K, they need to spend a few nights in jail, they need to be put on probation, and do community service, but they don’t need this thing to be carried with them for 20/30 years.

Getting caught shoplifting or drinking underage is a world away from torturing an animal. Psychopaths and sociopaths usually start as kids abusing animals.

[raisins]

Did u watch the video?
These kids are borderline psychotic, to see an animal in pain/distress. Then decide the best coarse of action is to kick/torture it and laugh and video tape it. Sick

They need to be locked up for a couple years.
Then take some serious classes to get help along
with making them work in animal shelters every weekend for the next few years.

People with cluster b personality disorders (anti-social personality disorder) have them for the rest of their life usually. I doubt they will ever be changed to "normal" kids.

[raisins]

In my opinion this is a huge black eye for the hunting community. Sure, everyone makes mistakes, but I do believe and example should be made out of this incident. Jail time, or a ban of hunting for many years. I don't wish any physical harm on the people involved, but there should definitely be a major punishment.

Exactly

When people say "it's just an animal" that blows my mind. Torturing any living creature for fun is wrong on so many levels. Cannot believe people are actually trying to find ways to accept or minimize this behavior. Unreal.

Burning ants with a magnifier?
Holding two grasshoppers together making them fight each other?
Trapping coons?
Trapping Wolves?

Ant = animal
Deer = animal

Therefore Ant = Deer

burning with magnifying glass = abuse
torturing paralyzed deer = abuse

therefore

burning with magnifying glass = torturing paralyzed deer

doesn't work here.

[mipubbucks24]

What these kids did was terrible, and wrong on so many levels. But I too was young “Dumb” once and had a run in with the law. I do not wish for the rest of these kids lives to be ruined because of 20 minutes of stupid.

I ask many on this board to think about what their punishment would have been for this 50 years ago.

I don’t know what it would have been but I can guarantee you it would not have been 7 years in jail. They need to get the crap fined out of them 15/20K, they need to spend a few nights in jail, they need to be put on probation, and do community service, but they don’t need this thing to be carried with them for 20/30 years.

Getting caught shoplifting or drinking underage is a world away from torturing an animal. Psychopaths and sociopaths usually start as kids abusing animals.

I’ve heard his argument for years but I have never seen any study or statistics to prove what you are saying. It’s like “the kids are violent these days because of violent video games” it’s never been proven to be true. Again 50 years ago you could get in a fight and knock someone out and there would be no charges. Now it is battery or assault or whatever, im just trying to add a little perspective.

I am sure at this point these guys realize that they messed up big time. That may be enough in and of itself to not do anything like this again.

I ask the question again, what would have been the punishment for these guys 50 years ago?

I’m not saying they should not be punished, there is just a lot of virtue signaling in this thread. I don’t think that this should ruin these guys life. Now if there comes out that there is a second offense or other past issues, that is a different.

[NorthStar]

A lot of good points being made on this thread and I glad we still have a place to discuss topics like these without people blowing a lid. No one asked but here is my opinion...

Kicking and abusing deer is wrong and these "kids"(one was an adult) should get the book thrown at them. Having said this, our laws seem to be crooked and even backwards in some cases. In California its legal to knowingly give someone AIDs but using a plastic straw could get you 6 months in the slammer. The states you can do time for abusing animals(and you probably should) but at the same time, legalizing post birth abortion gets a standing ovation from lawmakers.

I think we need to start prioritizing where we spend our focus/resources when it comes law making and enforcing existing laws in this country.

[DEERSLAYER]

What these kids did was terrible, and wrong on so many levels. But I too was young “Dumb” once and had a run in with the law. I do not wish for the rest of these kids lives to be ruined because of 20 minutes of stupid.

I ask many on this board to think about what their punishment would have been for this 50 years ago.

I don’t know what it would have been but I can guarantee you it would not have been 7 years in jail. They need to get the crap fined out of them 15/20K, they need to spend a few nights in jail, they need to be put on probation, and do community service, but they don’t need this thing to be carried with them for 20/30 years.

Getting caught shoplifting or drinking underage is a world away from torturing an animal. Psychopaths and sociopaths usually start as kids abusing animals.

I’ve heard his argument for years but I have never seen any study or statistics to prove what you are saying. It’s like “the kids are violent these days because of violent video games” it’s never been proven to be true. Again 50 years ago you could get in a fight and knock someone out and there would be no charges. Now it is battery or assault or whatever, im just trying to add a little perspective.

I am sure at this point these guys realize that they messed up big time. That may be enough in and of itself to not do anything like this again.

I ask the question again, what would have been the punishment for these guys 50 years ago?

I’m not saying they should not be punished, there is just a lot of virtue signaling in this thread. I don’t think that this should ruin these guys life. Now if there comes out that there is a second offense or other past issues, that is a different.

If you haven't seen any study or statistics to prove what he is saying then I suspect you haven't made the effort to look into it. It's there. You just have to make the effort.

As for 50 years ago.... what has that got to do with it? I would hope that we learn as time goes on. If we were to be stuck in the past & not progress in our thinking we would still be living in caves.

Also, everyone knows you don't get the maximum for first offenses. Not even close unless you did something unbelievably heinous. If you looked into this story you would have seen that this is NOT the only time they have done this sort of thing to animals either, but I still doubt they will get the maximum.

[raisins]

What these kids did was terrible, and wrong on so many levels. But I too was young “Dumb” once and had a run in with the law. I do not wish for the rest of these kids lives to be ruined because of 20 minutes of stupid.

I ask many on this board to think about what their punishment would have been for this 50 years ago.

I don’t know what it would have been but I can guarantee you it would not have been 7 years in jail. They need to get the crap fined out of them 15/20K, they need to spend a few nights in jail, they need to be put on probation, and do community service, but they don’t need this thing to be carried with them for 20/30 years.

Getting caught shoplifting or drinking underage is a world away from torturing an animal. Psychopaths and sociopaths usually start as kids abusing animals.

I’ve heard his argument for years but I have never seen any study or statistics to prove what you are saying. It’s like “the kids are violent these days because of violent video games” it’s never been proven to be true. Again 50 years ago you could get in a fight and knock someone out and there would be no charges. Now it is battery or assault or whatever, im just trying to add a little perspective.

I am sure at this point these guys realize that they messed up big time. That may be enough in and of itself to not do anything like this again.

I ask the question again, what would have been the punishment for these guys 50 years ago?

I’m not saying they should not be punished, there is just a lot of virtue signaling in this thread. I don’t think that this should ruin these guys life. Now if there comes out that there is a second offense or other past issues, that is a different.

If you haven't seen any study or statistics to prove what he is saying then I suspect you haven't made the effort to look into it. It's there. You just have to make the effort.

As for 50 years ago.... what has that got to do with it? I would hope that we learn as time goes on. If we were to be stuck in the past & not progress in our thinking we would still be living in caves.

Also, everyone knows you don't get the maximum for first offenses. Not even close unless you did something unbelievably heinous. If you looked into this story you would have seen that this is NOT the only time they have done this sort of thing to animals either, but I still doubt they will get the maximum.

Thanks for replying for me! Agreed overall. The 50 years argument got me the most. Yeah, back in the middle ages they used to burn cats in bags in public for superstitious reasons. So what does 50 years have to do with the price of eggs in China? Back then people didn't have phones with video and probably weren't dumb enough to tape themselves doing crimes.

Also, the term "virtue signaling" was tacked on there for no reason. You could claim someone is virtue signaling anytime they judge behavior as immoral.

"yeah, that judge that gave me 5 years for arson....was such a virtue signaling sonofabiscuit......"

Virtue signaling is typically used when people make a huge public deal in a way to draw attention to themselves and what they are upset about is something minor (the girl's aisle in a toy store had too many pink baby dolls and that is sexist).

[mipubbucks24]

What these kids did was terrible, and wrong on so many levels. But I too was young “Dumb” once and had a run in with the law. I do not wish for the rest of these kids lives to be ruined because of 20 minutes of stupid.

I ask many on this board to think about what their punishment would have been for this 50 years ago.

I don’t know what it would have been but I can guarantee you it would not have been 7 years in jail. They need to get the crap fined out of them 15/20K, they need to spend a few nights in jail, they need to be put on probation, and do community service, but they don’t need this thing to be carried with them for 20/30 years.

Getting caught shoplifting or drinking underage is a world away from torturing an animal. Psychopaths and sociopaths usually start as kids abusing animals.

I’ve heard his argument for years but I have never seen any study or statistics to prove what you are saying. It’s like “the kids are violent these days because of violent video games” it’s never been proven to be true. Again 50 years ago you could get in a fight and knock someone out and there would be no charges. Now it is battery or assault or whatever, im just trying to add a little perspective.

I am sure at this point these guys realize that they messed up big time. That may be enough in and of itself to not do anything like this again.

I ask the question again, what would have been the punishment for these guys 50 years ago?

I’m not saying they should not be punished, there is just a lot of virtue signaling in this thread. I don’t think that this should ruin these guys life. Now if there comes out that there is a second offense or other past issues, that is a different.

If you haven't seen any study or statistics to prove what he is saying then I suspect you haven't made the effort to look into it. It's there. You just have to make the effort.

As for 50 years ago.... what has that got to do with it? I would hope that we learn as time goes on. If we were to be stuck in the past & not progress in our thinking we would still be living in caves.

Also, everyone knows you don't get the maximum for first offenses. Not even close unless you did something unbelievably heinous. If you looked into this story you would have seen that this is NOT the only time they have done this sort of thing to animals either, but I still doubt they will get the maximum.

Thanks for replying for me! Agreed overall. The 50 years argument got me the most. Yeah, back in the middle ages they used to burn cats in bags in public for superstitious reasons. So what does 50 years have to do with the price of eggs in China? Back then people didn't have phones with video and probably weren't dumb enough to tape themselves doing crimes.

Also, the term "virtue signaling" was tacked on there for no reason. You could claim someone is virtue signaling anytime they judge behavior as immoral.

"yeah, that judge that gave me 5 years for arson....was such a virtue signaling sonofabiscuit......"

Virtue signaling is typically used when people make a huge public deal in a way to draw attention to themselves and what they are upset about is something minor (the girl's aisle in a toy store had too many pink baby dolls and that is sexist).

I stand corrected, I did research and found that there is substantial evidence of a “link” between animal violence and almost all other forms of Violence.

I’m not trying to defend these kids and what they did, it was terrible. I was just reading through the thread and saw people saying stuff like “I hope these kids rot in jail”. That just bothered me. I think they should be punished severely and I hope it turns them around and they can become good citizens. That is all I am trying to say, don’t want to see young peoples lives ruined, for making stupid decisions.

[Dewey]

What these kids did was terrible, and wrong on so many levels. But I too was young “Dumb” once and had a run in with the law. I do not wish for the rest of these kids lives to be ruined because of 20 minutes of stupid.

I ask many on this board to think about what their punishment would have been for this 50 years ago.

I don’t know what it would have been but I can guarantee you it would not have been 7 years in jail. They need to get the crap fined out of them 15/20K, they need to spend a few nights in jail, they need to be put on probation, and do community service, but they don’t need this thing to be carried with them for 20/30 years.

Getting caught shoplifting or drinking underage is a world away from torturing an animal. Psychopaths and sociopaths usually start as kids abusing animals.

I’ve heard his argument for years but I have never seen any study or statistics to prove what you are saying. It’s like “the kids are violent these days because of violent video games” it’s never been proven to be true. Again 50 years ago you could get in a fight and knock someone out and there would be no charges. Now it is battery or assault or whatever, im just trying to add a little perspective.

I am sure at this point these guys realize that they messed up big time. That may be enough in and of itself to not do anything like this again.

I ask the question again, what would have been the punishment for these guys 50 years ago?

I’m not saying they should not be punished, there is just a lot of virtue signaling in this thread. I don’t think that this should ruin these guys life. Now if there comes out that there is a second offense or other past issues, that is a different.

If you haven't seen any study or statistics to prove what he is saying then I suspect you haven't made the effort to look into it. It's there. You just have to make the effort.

As for 50 years ago.... what has that got to do with it? I would hope that we learn as time goes on. If we were to be stuck in the past & not progress in our thinking we would still be living in caves.

Also, everyone knows you don't get the maximum for first offenses. Not even close unless you did something unbelievably heinous. If you looked into this story you would have seen that this is NOT the only time they have done this sort of thing to animals either, but I still doubt they will get the maximum.

Thanks for replying for me! Agreed overall. The 50 years argument got me the most. Yeah, back in the middle ages they used to burn cats in bags in public for superstitious reasons. So what does 50 years have to do with the price of eggs in China? Back then people didn't have phones with video and probably weren't dumb enough to tape themselves doing crimes.

Also, the term "virtue signaling" was tacked on there for no reason. You could claim someone is virtue signaling anytime they judge behavior as immoral.

"yeah, that judge that gave me 5 years for arson....was such a virtue signaling sonofabiscuit......"

Virtue signaling is typically used when people make a huge public deal in a way to draw attention to themselves and what they are upset about is something minor (the girl's aisle in a toy store had too many pink baby dolls and that is sexist).

I stand corrected, I did research and found that there is substantial evidence of a “link” between animal violence and almost all other forms of Violence.

I’m not trying to defend these kids and what they did, it was terrible. I was just reading through the thread and saw people saying stuff like “I hope these kids rot in jail”. That just bothered me. I think they should be punished severely and I hope it turns them around and they can become good citizens. That is all I am trying to say, don’t want to see young peoples lives ruined, for making stupid decisions.

I assume your talking about my comment since you quoted what I said. You forgot the "AWHILE" part at the end of my quote. I never said they should spend their lives in jail but a short stay to let them think about what they did will likely do them some good. Obviously this doesn't mean send them to prison with a bunch of hardcore criminals.

[raisins]

What these kids did was terrible, and wrong on so many levels. But I too was young “Dumb” once and had a run in with the law. I do not wish for the rest of these kids lives to be ruined because of 20 minutes of stupid.

I ask many on this board to think about what their punishment would have been for this 50 years ago.

I don’t know what it would have been but I can guarantee you it would not have been 7 years in jail. They need to get the crap fined out of them 15/20K, they need to spend a few nights in jail, they need to be put on probation, and do community service, but they don’t need this thing to be carried with them for 20/30 years.

Getting caught shoplifting or drinking underage is a world away from torturing an animal. Psychopaths and sociopaths usually start as kids abusing animals.

I’ve heard his argument for years but I have never seen any study or statistics to prove what you are saying. It’s like “the kids are violent these days because of violent video games” it’s never been proven to be true. Again 50 years ago you could get in a fight and knock someone out and there would be no charges. Now it is battery or assault or whatever, im just trying to add a little perspective.

I am sure at this point these guys realize that they messed up big time. That may be enough in and of itself to not do anything like this again.

I ask the question again, what would have been the punishment for these guys 50 years ago?

I’m not saying they should not be punished, there is just a lot of virtue signaling in this thread. I don’t think that this should ruin these guys life. Now if there comes out that there is a second offense or other past issues, that is a different.

If you haven't seen any study or statistics to prove what he is saying then I suspect you haven't made the effort to look into it. It's there. You just have to make the effort.

As for 50 years ago.... what has that got to do with it? I would hope that we learn as time goes on. If we were to be stuck in the past & not progress in our thinking we would still be living in caves.

Also, everyone knows you don't get the maximum for first offenses. Not even close unless you did something unbelievably heinous. If you looked into this story you would have seen that this is NOT the only time they have done this sort of thing to animals either, but I still doubt they will get the maximum.

Thanks for replying for me! Agreed overall. The 50 years argument got me the most. Yeah, back in the middle ages they used to burn cats in bags in public for superstitious reasons. So what does 50 years have to do with the price of eggs in China? Back then people didn't have phones with video and probably weren't dumb enough to tape themselves doing crimes.

Also, the term "virtue signaling" was tacked on there for no reason. You could claim someone is virtue signaling anytime they judge behavior as immoral.

"yeah, that judge that gave me 5 years for arson....was such a virtue signaling sonofabiscuit......"

Virtue signaling is typically used when people make a huge public deal in a way to draw attention to themselves and what they are upset about is something minor (the girl's aisle in a toy store had too many pink baby dolls and that is sexist).

I stand corrected, I did research and found that there is substantial evidence of a “link” between animal violence and almost all other forms of Violence.

I’m not trying to defend these kids and what they did, it was terrible. I was just reading through the thread and saw people saying stuff like “I hope these kids rot in jail”. That just bothered me. I think they should be punished severely and I hope it turns them around and they can become good citizens. That is all I am trying to say, don’t want to see young peoples lives ruined, for making stupid decisions.

Agreed, and thanks for clarifying that. We're all friends here, and sometimes friends disagree and get into somewhat heated debates!

A friend of my brother got caught drinking a beer on some railroad tracks in high school and got sent to juvenile prison. In that facility he met real criminals and was abused by staff and other prisoners. It ruined his life and no one knows where he is now, but hopefully he improves at some point. So I get what you are saying.

[mipubbucks24]

Thank you Raisins, and Dewey I apologize for miss-quoting you.

[Brokenarrow1980]

Sad situation indeed, no animal deserves to suffer. Obviously those kids either been raised incorrectly or need serious mental health help. I hope they receive all that's coming to them being serious charges have been levied, but I also hope they get the help they need and can one day put this behind them. Being a teen leaves a long time to have something follow you.