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tarsal gland?

Unread postby tim » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:00 am

got a question , im hunting a slob right now in late season , and after studying pics of him i noticed his tarsal glands are as clean as a yearling does. so my question is this, do you think hes not participating in the rut? ive never seen this on a buck the size of this, ive seen it on 1.5 year olds and thats it. this is a fully mature buck.


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Re: tarsal gland?

Unread postby lungbuster » Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:43 am

If his tarsals are white I would say he is not participating in the rut... Which i think is more common in mature bucks than most realize.
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Re: tarsal gland?

Unread postby Spysar » Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:48 am

I would say he may not be participating. Some bucks get big and old from being smart, some are nocturnal, and some don't rut hard.
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Unread postby dan » Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:53 am

I agree with Lung and Spy...
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Re: tarsal gland?

Unread postby Casper » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:28 pm

Can we see the pics? :D
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Re: tarsal gland?

Unread postby Arrowbender » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:38 pm

I think the tarsal gland secretions are a direct function of testosterone and not a choice of a "smart" old buck. They don't get dark from pissing on them, it's from glandular secretions; the smelly kind if you ever gutted one during rut. :lol:

Don't ask me to explain why it's not still in velvet if low testosterone but I don't think they can shut off the secretion. (or their testosterone for that matter). Maybe these "Smart" ol' bucks are just in need of Viagra! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: tarsal gland?

Unread postby lungbuster » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:52 pm

Arrowbender wrote:I think the tarsal gland secretions are a direct function of testosterone and not a choice of a "smart" old buck. They don't get dark from pissing on them, it's from glandular secretions; the smelly kind if you ever gutted one during rut. :lol:
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I think you're half correct, secretions are part of it, but I think pissing on them is what ultimately "stains" them brown, if you have ever witnessed a buck or doe rub urinate you will see how the combination of secretions and urine cause the staining. I don't think the secretions alone will stain the glands.
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Re: tarsal gland?

Unread postby tim » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:07 am

casper, how bout i post pics if i kill him. ive been hitting it pretty hard lately but i think hes gonna be a tough one. and its been cold.i have his core area down. my family is already sick of me obsessing about this one. hes under my skin bad, i havent had a buck get to me this bad in a while!!!!!
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Re: tarsal gland?

Unread postby Casper » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:52 am

Must be huge. Hope you kill him Tim
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Unread postby tim » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:53 am

8-) thanks casper
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Unread postby Casper » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:58 am

Need some help? ;)
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Unread postby Wrinkleneck » Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:02 am

Post the pictures of his tarsal gland and you holding his horns ;) Hope you put the hurt on him soon.
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Re: tarsal gland?

Unread postby dan » Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:38 pm

Arrowbender wrote:I think the tarsal gland secretions are a direct function of testosterone and not a choice of a "smart" old buck. They don't get dark from pissing on them, it's from glandular secretions; the smelly kind if you ever gutted one during rut. :lol:

Don't ask me to explain why it's not still in velvet if low testosterone but I don't think they can shut off the secretion. (or their testosterone for that matter). Maybe these "Smart" ol' bucks are just in need of Viagra! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I was under the impression it was the deers action of pissing on the hocks and rubbing his hocks together that created the color, and not the secretions beyond the control of the buck... But I was not positive. So I looked it up and found a few studies. This is from the easiest one for me to understand:


In one of our studies, we investigated the activity of these secretory glands associated with the
tarsal gland. We thought that since bucks urinate on to the tarsal gland more frequently
during the breeding season than at other times, the fat-secreting structures would become
more active as well. Instead, we were surprised to discover that the activity of these glands
did not change during the year, and that there was no difference in the activity between males
and females. These results indicate that it is not a change in the activity of the gland itself that
causes a change in the smell of the tarsal gland. Instead, the change is smell (and color)
comes from a change in the frequency in rub-urination, and perhaps from a change in some of
the components of the deer’s urine.
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Re: tarsal gland?

Unread postby tim » Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:23 am

thanks dan. casper, im going solo on this one!


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