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Re: WI T-Zone

Unread postby snofreak » Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:31 am

I also agree with some kind of restriction on shooting a nub buck. I know that it is very hard to tell a nubber from a doe at 150 yds but that would also save our deer population because people would then think twice about pulling the trigger. But we all know this pretty much defeats the purpose of the DNR having this slaughter fest


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Unread postby Sam Ubl » Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:11 am

It's really not hard - most hunters just need to be educated a little better. It's the same with duck hunting.. I can tell a drake from a hen no matter the specie, so long as it flys in Wisconsin, and I can tell you the specie from way up there by wing/head shape, color, etc. There are regulations in the duck hunting world that permit limited quantities of certain species and even moreso, within those particular species, qty's of hen vs drake.

When I'm duck hunting with the less experienced, as I have while getting a few friends into the sport, including my wife, they are amazed I can identify sex and specie. It's education through experience I suppose - that and what I learned growing up from my father.

A nub bucks body shape, especially head shape with their shorter stubbier and more square snout and forehead are dead give-a-ways. There are those who give a damn and can identify the nubs from slicks, and those who just want that EAB sticker bad enough who don't give a damn.

So two things really that we need amongst the mojority of deer hunters - EDUCATION and the Give a Damn
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Unread postby solocam88 » Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:50 am

Sam Ubl wrote:It's really not hard - most hunters just need to be educated a little better. It's the same with duck hunting.. I can tell a drake from a hen no matter the specie, so long as it flys in Wisconsin, and I can tell you the specie from way up there by wing/head shape, color, etc. There are regulations in the duck hunting world that permit limited quantities of certain species and even moreso, within those particular species, qty's of hen vs drake.

When I'm duck hunting with the less experienced, as I have while getting a few friends into the sport, including my wife, they are amazed I can identify sex and specie. It's education through experience I suppose - that and what I learned growing up from my father.

A nub bucks body shape, especially head shape with their shorter stubbier and more square snout and forehead are dead give-a-ways. There are those who give a damn and can identify the nubs from slicks, and those who just want that EAB sticker bad enough who don't give a damn.

So two things really that we need amongst the mojority of deer hunters - EDUCATION and the Give a Damn



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Unread postby dan » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:00 am

I would not punish someone for shooting a nub... But I certainly would not reward them with a buck tag either....

A couple years ago I shot a buck that was 1 1/2 that I mistook for a doe because of its size and the antlers were less than an inch long...
I was rewarded with a buck tag for shooting that buck because it was technically an antlerless deer by definition. :roll:
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Unread postby magicman54494 » Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:01 pm

dan wrote:I would not punish someone for shooting a nub... But I certainly would not reward them with a buck tag either....



Which could cause them to go out and shoot another nubby!
EAB sucks no matter how you slice it. People are willing to shoot does without EAB. EAB just forces people to shoot does that they don't believe need to be harvested. If the DNR would allow for huntable numbers of deer the hunters would be glad to harvest does without being forced to do so.
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Unread postby dan » Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:35 pm

Bottom line is they should not pound the killing down our throats... Some people barely have enough time to hunt and gave up hunting cause they have to shoot a doe 1st, or there family don't need two deer and they don't believe in killing to waste...
Wisconsin could be a paradise with the best hunting in the country if "properly" managed. Hopefully the new Governor can set the DNR strait.
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Unread postby DropTyne » Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:57 pm

If the DNR is technically restricting/giving out doe tags to control populations and create a solid age group structure than the right thing to do is have a nubby count as a buck. Technically it is a buck right? This would keep people from shooting yearling deer all together unless they could clearly tell without a doubt it was a doe fawn. Thus helping our age structure and balance of buck/doe ratio. Right?
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Re: WI T-Zone

Unread postby Sam Ubl » Sat Oct 16, 2010 5:35 am

Riddle me this...

Why create a seasons and units, like CWD units and T-Zone hunts to massequer the deer, but at the same time, within these very units are EAB regulations.

Is it as simple as the DNR wants to severely reduce the population, but at the same time, wants to ensure a few bucks get a chance for the hunters sake? Because it sure seems like they just want ZERO deer at all.

The point before about passing a buck with no EAB sticker, then shooting a nubby buck and recieving the EAB sticker to shoot another more mature buck (3 inches of antler or more) is a ludacris reality. :|
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Unread postby dan » Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:18 am

They don't want hunters passing on does Sam...
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Unread postby Hodag Hunter » Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:27 am

dan wrote:I would not punish someone for shooting a nub... But I certainly would not reward them with a buck tag either....

A couple years ago I shot a buck that was 1 1/2 that I mistook for a doe because of its size and the antlers were less than an inch long...
I was rewarded with a buck tag for shooting that buck because it was technically an antlerless deer by definition. :roll:
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My opinion EAB is wrong when someone earns that tag for shooting a buck to acquire it......less than 3" or a nubby. Not blaming you Dan, I've done the same thing with "pencil bucks" up here as we call them.

In 2008 last day of 2nd season archery, some may remember my story of shooting a buck with one side shed already. When finding the deer the one antler he had flew off in his death run......couldn't find it that night (or the next day either, did find it in the spring) so when registering the deer it "counted" as a doe. I just laughed my but off but the registration guy insisted I mark down doe on the form and handed me an EAB sticker. I thought this is a screwed up system and needs some refining.
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Re: WI T-Zone

Unread postby DSquire » Sat Oct 16, 2010 1:09 pm

Fortunately, there seems to be very little interest thus far in the early doe only season. My father, who lives and owns land south and west of Ridgeway, did not see anyone hunting in either of the last two days. He did, however, notice a DNR plane conducting what appeared to be an aerial survey.

Lets hope that people continue to stay out of the woods this weekend and show a little restraint with the already decimated doe population.
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Re: WI T-Zone

Unread postby arrow'd_addict » Sun Oct 17, 2010 2:12 am

I wish we had people who actually sat in the woods and hunted running this operation, cause then they could get pissed off day in and day out, just like the rest of the hunters in WI.
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Re: WI T-Zone

Unread postby Pink » Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:50 am

This EAB makes me sick. A local bar writes down everything that is brought in to register (bow and gun) As of yesterday there was probably 125 deer registered, and at least a third were buck fawns! What a bunch of crap.


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