dirt nap giver wrote:I don't know if I am just not understanding, or what. So here is my specific question. If Christ comes and says "depart from me, you workers of iniquity(workers of lawlessness)". To me that implies that the ones who haven't kept the law. Yet we are to not believe the law and believe in grace. I am a believer in grace and I feel that if you have to go to church to "find God" then something is wrong. I go to church now because I want to....and I need to. I NEED to because I have helped myself to every empty thing this world has to offer and was left with my head on my pillow in the morning just as empty as I was before I indulged. I need bruised toes. The acts I do are from the heart because I want to be obedient. With the realization that it is not of my works, but rather in whom I have CHOSEN to put my faith in. So I get the "works" part of this.
I feel like a newborn with this, and that's okay, so please give me a bottle with out formula. As far as email, I feel publicly is best for the advancement of His kingdom..... Humbly listening......
It is sad, but it is true. There are goats amongst the sheep, and tares amongst the wheat. There are many people that profess the name of Christ and are actually false converts. Now it is not my job to try and figure out who these people are in the pews next to me for it is Christ who will separate.
This is such a sensitive area that needs delicate handling, for there are many churches that teach doctrines in polar extremes. You have those who are all of grace without personal accountability. Then of course you have the legalists.
Now in the "All Grace" churches if you even mention things about living a life that honors God by obedience then they start yelling Legalism. I have even heard people say that faith is a work, so it is not necessary
In the Legalist church if you are not following everything "at least outwardly" to the T, and mention anything about being under the grace and liberty of Christ then they start saying things like you are not a Christian at all.
However the reality is much different than either of these extremes. Make sure you read the whole thing here and understand what I am saying in this next part.
God as the creator of all things and according to His word has laws. There is no man, woman or child at an age of accountability that is not commanded to obey God in all things without exception. Jesus said not one jot or tittle of the law will pass away until all
things be fulfilled (this has a two fold purpose). Jesus also gave an amazing commandment in His ministry on earth "Be perfect as your Father in heaven is Perfect". Whoa! Now the law/grace thing seems even more clouded..What does this mean? I thought "no one was good, not even one" and "All of our righteousness was as filthy rags in His sight"?
Jesus death on the cross completely eliminated the sacrificial law. That is fulfilled and complete.
However there is still the moral accounts of the law that we as mankind are subject to; even as Christians. KEEP GOING!
Born again believers are enabled free from the burden of sin to do those things which are pleasing in the sight of God by the power of the Spirit working in us.
But you say you are terrified that maybe your not a Christian because you know for a fact that you sin every day in some way even against your own will. You want to do the will of God with all your heart, but you just keep failing constantly!
You are a most fortunate individual even though you are broken over your sin, because dear brother, God has given you all of Christs righteousness even the fulfillment of the moral law, the fulfillment of the law in it's entirety as if it were your righteousness. With this amazing grace, looking always towards Christ for your righteousness you are able when you fail to approach God openly confessing to Him your sin, and seeking prayerfully to once again stand and sin no more without fear of condemnation.
Now answer this question. The men who stood before Jesus when He told them to depart as workers of iniquity, Were they pleading to enter heaven on behalf of Christs fulfillment of the law or their own? Those who live under the law or even their own religious beliefs as they see them are still accountable to God's law and will be judged by that law. Standing on their own merit proclaiming before the one who alone fulfilled the law is sin and an insult to the sacrifice of Christ. We are commanded to repent and trust in Christ alone for our salvation. Without that you are performing works according to your own will as if God never gave you this law, and as for the rest of the law they were boasting in, we know how we would all fare in that. That is a what was being described as workers of iniquity.
You can't go to church on Sunday and live like the devil the rest of the week and think that everything is ok. This should be a concern if this is your lifestyle. Jesus said to keep His commandments, and His commandments are not burdensome. Why aren't they a burden? Because you love Him now and you desire to do them. It is never a burden to do something for someone you love. However Jesus is not a get out of card either. You should be afraid of and you should turn to Christ, but in light of what He did to keep you from , and the fact that you need a righteousness that is not your own to stand at the judgment. Some say all you need is Jesus and I am here to tell you He is all you have!
"Some people go to church and think about deer hunting, while others go deer hunting and think about God".
I am sorry to break it you my friends, but even if being in the creation does conjure up feelings of awe and gratitude that is not worship that God will accept. God will equally despise going to church and thinking about deer hunting, or the football game coming on after the service.
The greatest commandment is this. "To Love the Lord your God with ALL of your heart, mind, soul and strength". There is no one who does this, and you'll never fool God in to believing you are only hunting Sunday morning so you can worship Him. If you are like I was, you try desperately to convince yourself this is true, but that doesn't make it true. I had all the excuses, The church is full of hypocrites and they are no better then I am...I work hard for my money why should I give it to them, how do I know what they are doing with it? I work hard all week and I just want to have this one day to myself to relax and enjoy this one thing! (As if I deserved it)
You don't have to go to church to be saved. However if Jesus is nothing more then an accessory you add to your life in passing thoughts then you really need to examine yourself.
I am not better then any of you in anyway. I feel like Paul, when he said, "I am chief amongst sinners". The only difference between myself and some of you is that Christ has become my righteousness to stand before God. By His law still serving it's purpose as it was always designed to do, I see that I am a sinner deserving of . I need Him, I love Him, He is my king and my God, and I will serve Him in all of my strength because of what He has done for me and for who He is. This is not proud boasting. This had nothing to do with me. God saved me, I didn't save me. Looking at myself all I can feel is shame, but now I look to Christ my righteousness and am filled with such overwhelming gratitude for a debt I can never repay even with my own life. I am humbled to the dust that God would do this for me and He will do this for you if you will look first at yourself in light of His law that you might look towards Christ for salvation.
The reason not one jot or tittle will fade away is two fold. 1. It will be the law that condemns all mankind apart from Christ.
2. The law will show you that you need Christ. Until Christ returns to claim His bride the law will remain effectual to this end.
God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.