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Re: jeff murray's moon charts website ?

Unread postby wibowhntr » Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:22 am

Thanks guys for the help. It is greatly appreciated.


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Unread postby Troutking » Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:48 pm

I purchase my moon guide from cabelas each year. They always send the correct season. Just ordered it for this year but it hasn't come yet.
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Unread postby DevinJD2007 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:01 am

I tried it last year for the first time and it seemed to be really accurate, as of last year for me.
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Unread postby dreaming bucks » Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:41 am

I'm pretty pumped to try this technique of bumping them off their beds and trying to kill them when they come back to their beds the next morning..
The part I'm most concerned about though is, how do you know from which direction they will be coming back to that bed in the morning ? I mean, who knows where all they traveled all night long, they could be coming from any direction, right ? Or will they always come in to their bed into the wind ? If that is the case, it would break down the stand position a little more.. I guess a guy would have to be certain on the wind direction for that morning and just make sure you are downwind from that bed, or off to the side anyway.. I don't know, seems like alot of things could go wrong on the setup, but I'm willing to learn by my mistakes.... I just like the idea of trying something different other than just going out sitting in a tree and hoping something comes walking by that day. :roll:
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Unread postby BowtechHunting » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:36 pm

dan wrote:Andrae just called me and we got on a long winded discussion about the moon guide and he was saying that on his Illinois property the population of deer was so high that it really was easy to see the patterns and everytime he would see heavy or no feeding at unexpected times he would check the chart and it would be right on. He said his experiences also showed jeffs predictions based on where the deer would be based on the moon
(feeding, bedded, etc) was right on to his observations also...


I recall Andrae discussing picking the best times to hunt, in the Hunting Public Land DVD, and he said something like he wouldn't go for weeks at a time until he knew when the perfect opportunity would present itself. Was he making a reference to those moon phases? Sometimes I'll go thinking that it's the perfect day, but end up getting skunked. I make some poor judgments sometimes and feel that "overhunt" a particular area.
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Unread postby dreaming bucks » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:01 am

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dan wrote:Andrae just called me and we got on a long winded discussion about the moon guide and he was saying that on his Illinois property the population of deer was so high that it really was easy to see the patterns and everytime he would see heavy or no feeding at unexpected times he would check the chart and it would be right on. He said his experiences also showed jeffs predictions based on where the deer would be based on the moon
(feeding, bedded, etc) was right on to his observations also...


I recall Andrae discussing picking the best times to hunt, in the Hunting Public Land DVD, and he said something like he wouldn't go for weeks at a time until he knew when the perfect opportunity would present itself. Was he making a reference to those moon phases? Sometimes I'll go thinking that it's the perfect day, but end up getting skunked. I make some poor judgments sometimes and feel that "overhunt" a particular area.


Yes, that's what I think he's getting at... It really does make sense if you think about it. Almost always those big mature bucks are going to be back to their beds BEFORE daylight, giving us no opportunity to kill them, BUT, that one or two mornings when the moon phase is right, they stay out feeding a little longer, get back to their beds later and that is the day that we are there waiting for them.... I don't know, sounds pretty easy when I write it down here, but I know it will be anything but easy... But ya, that's exactly what I think Andrae is getting at when he talks about the PERFECT time....
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Re: jeff murray's moon charts website ?

Unread postby dan » Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:12 am

When Andrae discusses waiting for the perfect day he is reffering to more than just the moon guide. But the moon guide is part of it. He is also reffering to not hunting those bedding areas till you know the buck is there using it. Thru the use of trail cameras, bino's, tracks, rubs, etc...
The perfect day does not have to be in reference to the moon guide either.
Weather can have just as good an effect on deer travel if not more than the moon phase.
When it rains and storms in the evening into the night the deer seem to stay bedded longer and get a late start thus getting back to there beds late.
So a key time to hunt over a bed is a calm morning after a stormy night.
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Unread postby dreaming bucks » Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:25 am

dan wrote: Weather can have just as good an effect on deer travel if not more than the moon phase.
When it rains and storms in the evening into the night the deer seem to stay bedded longer and get a late start thus getting back to there beds late.
So a key time to hunt over a bed is a calm morning after a stormy night.


That's a great tip Dan, I'll have to keep that one in the back of my knoggin... ;)
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Unread postby Brandon » Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:31 am

Great thread, i just learned a lot. Anything to add or I should research? I just ordered the book by jeff and where can I get the hunting public land movie by andre? Thanks guys
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Unread postby dreaming bucks » Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:33 am

Glad to see the website is up and running again !
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Unread postby dan » Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:18 am

Brandon wrote:Great thread, i just learned a lot. Anything to add or I should research? I just ordered the book by jeff and where can I get the hunting public land movie by andre? Thanks guys

Andrae discusses the moon phase in the Hill country DVD I sell in my store here on the hunting BEAST. 8-)
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Re: jeff murray's moon charts website ?

Unread postby Sam Ubl » Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:42 am

Interesting discussion for sure - lunar influence.

So bucks, or all deer I'm assuming, are more comfortable with their surroundings in the reduced light caused by quarter and 3/4 moon peaking overhead/underfoot... This much is easy to interperate and make sense of (comfort of darkness), but to make sure I'm understanding the science behind these moon phases, let me dig deeper into the timing of it all.

STATEMENT:
"Quarter-Moons peak overhead/underfoot during low-light periods of sunset and sunrise."

INTERPRETATION:
First Quarter Moon is overhead at sunset and underfoot at sunrise (12.5 hours later). Jeff Murray says this is his favorite time to be hunting field edges and woods openings because an overhead moon encourages deer to feed before, during and after sunset and you will ultimately see more deer feeding in the fields than during any other segment of the 29.5-day lunar mongh.

QUESTION:
How does the moon being overhead at sunset and underfoot at sunrise (1/4 and/or 3/4 moon) make those two periods the best times to be on stand near food sources/staging areas? In other words, what is the science behind the moon peaking overhead and underfoot with relation to low-light periods of sunset and sunrise. Does the placement of the moon cause the sunrise of sunset to be dimmer/darker than say, during a full or new moon phase?
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Unread postby Brandon » Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:42 am

dan wrote:
Brandon wrote:Great thread, i just learned a lot. Anything to add or I should research? I just ordered the book by jeff and where can I get the hunting public land movie by andre? Thanks guys

Andrae discusses the moon phase in the Hill country DVD I sell in my store here on the hunting BEAST. 8-)


Great, good thing i ordered that from you yesterday. :mrgreen:

Cant wait until it gets here...
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Re: jeff murray's moon charts website ?

Unread postby Sam Ubl » Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:15 am

Seriously struggling as I try to understand how a moon overhead or underfoot will affect visibility in the night. Conceptually, sure deer feel more comfortable in the darkness of night, but these circalunar phases are far from being completely understood by most of us - I'm certain of that.

Why does every peice of literature state little more than moon underfoot/overhead are peak times, blah blah blah... Why not fill the "blah's" with an explanation as to how this phases create more light or darkness, and then explain how the deer react to this photoperiods?

All I am getting out of this is that there are some "peak" times to watch out for... Let's dig deeper.
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Re: jeff murray's moon charts website ?

Unread postby Sam Ubl » Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:32 am

First quarter occurs as the Moon moves from new to full; third or last quarter occurs as the Moon moves from full to new.
This is all fine, but what does it have to do with deer movement early in the morning or last minute in the evening? How does it keep deer on their feet?

The sun will rise and fall the same times year after year - photoperiods are constant year after year, for all 365 days of each. Deer use the light in a day as clock or calendar - explanation of the predictable rut times depending on the region your hunting (so sick of hearing people say, "their rutting early this year", or whatever...).

Of all the scientific research I've done on circalunar rythem back in my college days, and even now, I'm still left with little more than theories... For fish, I've personally considered gravitational pull in relation to a rising/falling tide and potential impact on swim bladders, and many other ideas...

With deer, the thought that a dimmer sunrise or sunset may show increased movement had me thinking...

Again, how does moon overhead/underfoot affect deer movement - I need something more solid than "these are peak times". My brain aches!!
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