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Re: Wolves in Northern Wisconsin ?

Unread postby Hodag Hunter » Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:34 am

I don't understand your post regarding the respected county and car kills. :?

Assuming your trying to point out the southern half of the state and northern half are the roughly the same amount of car kills I think you missed a vast amount of the southern countys.

Two popular ones, waupaca and buffalo....just to name a few.


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Re: Wolves in Northern Wisconsin ?

Unread postby Uncle Lou » Sat Apr 17, 2010 6:39 pm

Did anyone see the article on the first wolf hunt in Idaho in the Field & Stream March 2010 issue. Pretty good read

Here is a link on the first hunter to take one
http://www.outdoorsmanspursuit.com/home/idahos_first_legal_grey_wolf_a_photo_journal_by_robert_millage

Here is a link on how many deer wolves kill in Michigan's UP per the DNR
http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-10363_10856_10905_11820-150249--,00.html
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Re: Wolves in Northern Wisconsin ?

Unread postby Sam Ubl » Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:12 am

Hodag Hunter wrote:I don't understand your post regarding the respected county and car kills. :?

Assuming your trying to point out the southern half of the state and northern half are the roughly the same amount of car kills I think you missed a vast amount of the southern countys.

Two popular ones, waupaca and buffalo....just to name a few.


I think you're just confused, period.

You suggested I shouldn't consider car/deer kills when running number comparisons for causes of deer mortality... You suggested their is an unbalanced population of deer in the North compared to the southern portion of the state - so, since you called me on it, I put the numbers of the NORTHERN REGION by county right there before you. :geek:

If you spent more time reviewing the County names, since you're so familiar with the Northwood's, perhaps you'll notice a trend in that every county listed is of the Northern region of the state - which is where the wolves are, right?

Spend more time considering facts rather than ways to rebuttal.


I'd like to point out that years of extensive studies show 5% - 15% of the Northern Wisconsin deer population suffers death during winter, and that stat is based off of a mild winter - not severe.

Point? Eventually, YOU will accept that wolves aren't worth naming as the deer populations nemesis. In fact, do a little research further than your opinion and learn that coyotes kill more deer in Wisconsin's Northwoods, than wolves! That's right, there is an estimated 8,000 coyotes in the state, and an average of 2 fawns a year die as a result of coyote predation per coyote, which is an average of 16,000 dead little fawns. . . Estimated 30,000 bears in the State, and about 1 fawn falls victim to a bear annually. . . so 30,000 little fawns bite the dust as a result of bears. Estimated 3,000 bobcats in the state. . . Bobcats are known to kill between 1 and 2 fawns and some adult deer annually. So between 3,000 and 6,000 fawns. Humans, although harvest numbers are dropping, with all the seasons and hunters, roughly 325,000 deer are REGISTERED. .. . I bid you to guess how many are lost and unaccounted for. . . I wonder if you'd consider any of those wounded/lost deer as part of the wolves kill count for the year.

Wolves. . . There just aren't enough of them to make them the top predator of deer. Point made.
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Re: Wolves in Northern Wisconsin ?

Unread postby Hodag Hunter » Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:53 am

Sam no need to get fired up but here's my response.

If you read what I posted previously I had asked to not utilize state wide numbers when posting totals......example you state 8,000 coyotes kill 16,000 deer.....these are statewide totals. Now with out me knowing how many yotes occupy the northern region, but can guess most of these yotes live in the central and southern half of the state, this is where most of the deer kills are taking place. You know... where the higher deer populations exist.

I still don't understand your county totals.....first group I would remove (2) counties as considered where wolf are present in high numbers.....2nd list, come on man, a wolf may have been sighted in these counties but I don't believe a pack is present 100% of the time except Marinette and Oconto.....Oconto is a stretch. This list is far from "northern counties" and actually kills your presentation by trying to pass them off as such. I really thought this was your WI southern county list.


Bear kills I bet are HIGHER than you report, but hey the DNR info is always Gospel, right? :lol: I wish more kill tags where awarded every year to deal with this over population. On a side bar what did the DNR say the bear population was (2) years ago....now it's doubled. Yea right, doubled in two years and it took a college kid in the field to prove this mis-calculation.

Even with the DNR having such inaccurate numbers of deer population....look at what they even admidt for the upcoming 2010 deer season which units are at or under "goal" for deer numbers. How many do you see in "wolf territory" that are above goal? How many out of the "standard wolf area" that are above goal. ( don't use all the counties you listed in the previous post. 8-)

Honestly, I think it was (4) years ago before cutting my 1st wolf track where I hunt. Never was really a problem before and really isn't a huge issue here, yet. Yet being the key word. West by the Willow and south near Enterprise have been worse off regarding wolf numbers. I have taken trips to Prentice, Park Falls and Clam Lake area scouting land.....wolf populations here are considerably higher vs where I normally hunt.....very easy to find more wolf than deer sign in these areas.

I don't know if your jabbing at me or not about my "knowledge of the northwoods" comment.....but while posting this response I am at my kitchen snack bar in Rhinelander....where are you? Assuming you take 10 trips here a year and the rest of your information is from the internet. Last comment is not meant to be a jab....we all have to live somewhere and I am actually spending more time in Greenville, WI (near Appleton) than Rhinelander these days. Don't like it, but that's the way it goes sometimes.

If it makes you feel better I would still like to share a boat seat with you this summer chasing musky.....I believe you may have me beat in this area and I could learn a thing or two from you.

All things considered, the Rhinelander area is not infested with wolf, yet.....don't know the man but I bet Hilts' area is over run and he may be able to comment his thoughts regarding these "lovely" creatures.
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Re: Wolves in Northern Wisconsin ?

Unread postby Sam Ubl » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:54 am

HH- My friend, all BS aside, you and I WILL share a boat chasing skis! Boom Lake and the Rhinelander Flowage are a second home to me, as are a ton of little 200 ac puddles around McNaughton. The following isn't a rebuttle, just an explanation to support my credibility - these discussions would probably resolute much easier over a pitcher in person.

I spent 9 weeks of every summer living on Franklin Lake in Eagle River from the time I was 5 till 15, and again starting living in Eagle River 7-weeks every summer in my early twenties working for boat gas, musky tackle and a meal now and again. I currently live in SE Wisconsin - it's hard to live in a seasonal work environment, such as the Northwoods. I do make it up to your side of the state about 10-12 times a year while on the tournament trail, hunting and for family vacations. Considering I could be at the Jailhouse doorstep in 3.5 hours, beer in hand with Randy's ridiculously cheesy pizza in the oven and me looking over The Black Waters where I stuck a 44 last year - the Northwoods aren't too far away.

The numbers I listed are not statewide, they are pertinant to the Northern Region, which is the first bucket of Counties listed. The second bucket of counties is pertaining to the NER (North East Region), with Wood Co. (Necedah Area), and aside from Necedahs two known large wolf packs, are more than likely areas where sightings, HH is right.

While I do help support Dan's site and frequent MuskieFIRST, I rarely speak like I'm reading from a book, yet stats are a little unbelievable coming from an ordinary man/woman such as you and I with no time in a chopper counting,surveying hunters at deer registrations stations, etc. So sure, State statistics broken down by county and/or region come in handy on the internet because they are the closest to "believable" data we can aggregate.

As I've mentioned in several posts, it is a simple concept to understand the teeter-tot sub-division of the states living deer herd. Nevermind the Southern regions, because in the Northwoods, hunters, bears, coyotes and cars are still killing more deer than wolves - each on their own individual basis. That said, surely I understand the wolf population is growing tremendously fast and will continue to do so, but the single point I've been trying to connect with whoever is wasting their time reading this banter is that wolves are not solely to blame like so many believe. ALTHOUGH, IN TIME, PERHAPS THEY WILL BE, as HH commented.

Lazy people exhist all over the world, whether their too lazy to consider looking for blood after shooting at a running deer that didn't fall in sight, or by not using facts to negotiate their conciounce when throwing blame for their lack of success in the field - pointing fingers at the Big Bad Wolves. It just feels like a kick in the shin when I here the wolf excuse - case and point.
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Re: Wolves in Northern Wisconsin ?

Unread postby Hilts » Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:40 am

I don't have any "factual"/dnr :roll: numbers to back me up on this(Not a shot at you Sam, I understand it is all there is to go by officially). I put on around a 1000 miles every summer/fall on fire roads that cover roughly 60 square miles of bayfield county. The deer numbers have fallen off in my area and I think the wolves have had a part in that. It's scary what they are capable of. I have seen the damage they can do, I have been close enough to see their lip curl as they growl. They are a neat but dangerous animal and there is no biological reason for them to be here. The only reason they are here is because a bunch of people, that never have to deal with them, want them here.

There is plenty of them around. Every morning when you drive the fire roads you will see a fresh pair of wolf tracks going down the majority of the roads out there. They'll even go right down the road in between our cabins where 30 hounds are sitting out side.

As far as the deer are concerned... I think coyotes are doing more damage than the wolves. They are out of control up here. At least 6 different times last fall I had deer run by me with a coyote or two on its . I listen to 3 different packs from my house every night.

And I am not exaggerating one bit when I tell you that in all those miles I put on last year I seen more wolf and coyote tracks on those roads than I did deer. I didn't even mention all the bear tracks did I ;)
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Re: Wolves in Northern Wisconsin ?

Unread postby Sam Ubl » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:15 am

One stat I'd be interested in is what the County wolf ratio's are suggested to be. Bayfield is probably the most commonly discussed (wolf related) County, followed closely by Onieda. I should take a step back from my 'overall' stance and consider ratio's. After all I've said, I will admit that I believe a county known for a higher than average wolf pack, such as Bayfield, may have a plausable justification for their opinions on deer herd decimation in their area.

Onieda Co., however, while the pack is large in this County, they aren't spread out too terribly bad. I bowhunted and gun hunted over 2 weeks last year, saw 'some' deer, yet heard and saw zero wolves. I hunted paper company land and a private 80 ac off River Rd, which follows along the North shore of the Wisc. River/Boom Lake. Now, I know I was in a tiny area compared to the entirety of the County. But a pack may take up a corner, or whatever portion they want of the county, but a stragler here or there won't scare deer out of the County if a lone ranger happens by the opposite corner of the County from where the rest of their pack is - I guess that goes without saying.

I think you're right, there was no biological reason to invite the wolves into the state, and while I think their pretty cool looking, I don't like the idea of walking out to my stand with the hair on the back of my neck standing up. Regarding deer, I think the general consensus is that bears and coyote predation on fawns is the biggest factor aside from overharvesting on the hunters part - even if the DNR did make us hunters feel like we weren't doing enough, which I think we can all attest was an aweful miscalculation on their part.
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Re: Wolves in Northern Wisconsin ?

Unread postby Uncle Lou » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:35 pm

Got a call monday morning from my cousin in MN. Our friend Kenny who lives in Idaho was part of a wolf hunt recently. I dont know dates and such but per cuz it was all legal.

They were successful, they shot one - how cool. I asked for pics and havent got any yet. Wish we could hunt them legally in MN, WI, and MI. We sure got a pile of them in these states.
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Re: Wolves in Northern Wisconsin ?

Unread postby Hilts » Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:20 am

I could of shot one yesterday morning. My hounds woke me up at 4:45 am yesterday. They were going ballistic. I jumped out of bed and ran out side in my underwear(it was only 20 degrees :? ) to quiet them down. I go out the door and the motion light goes on. Guess what was standing 30 yards from my front door? Guess what was standing 30 yards from my hounds? Guess what was standing right next to the trampoline that my kid plays on? :evil: A friggin Timber :evil:

I yelled at it a couple times and it just stood there and looked at me. I went in the house to get the .22. I had no intentions of shooting it, I just wanted it know what it was dealing with. I went back out with the gun and rapped of a half dozen shots into my wood pile, which is 30 ft to left of where the timber was standing. That SOB didn't even flinch. He just turned and slowly walked out of my yard. :x

It's hard to be level headed when you experience crap like this and your not just the one hearing the stories.
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Re: Wolves in Northern Wisconsin ?

Unread postby PLB » Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:26 am

Its gonna happen soon God forbid not in your yard Hilts that some little kid is gonna get mauled by these Wild Timber dogs! They are not afraid of us! My dad has video of one right out of the truck a couple turkey seasons ago! Pulled up right by the wolf and shot some video of him. He just stood there. My dad started making turkey calls and he just cocked his head and pinned his ears back :shock: I wonder how many turkeys he's had for lunch!
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Re: Wolves in Northern Wisconsin ?

Unread postby Hodag Hunter » Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:34 am

Hilts, too bad on the wolf encounter in your own yard, for your kids sake you don't want visitors like that to keep coming back.
Lucky for the wolf it wasn't my yard.... my eyes don't adjust well at night and it's hard to distinguish between wood piles and critters.
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Re: Wolves in Northern Wisconsin ?

Unread postby matt1336 » Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:55 am

I might have taken the 7mm instead of the .22. I also have the same eye problem as HH. Just say'n.....It might have happened.
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Re: Wolves in Northern Wisconsin ?

Unread postby Sam Ubl » Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:55 am

Stole this picture from the Reconyx web-site, but this picture is awesome! Check out the stand in background. Picture was taken in Minneapolis, MN.
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Re: Wolves in Northern Wisconsin ?

Unread postby dreaming bucks » Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:12 am

I have to admit, they sure are a pretty animal, but if they are killing deer left and right, that kind've ruins that thought... :roll:


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