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farm land buck
New here guys looking for a help cause i am pretty inexperienced reading these, the land is pretty flat, the south 1/3 was logged about three years ago and is pretty thick and i believe they are bedding there and i got trail cam pict on the south inside corner of two nice bucks the aerial shows the property line and then a topo from google earth.thanks u guy so much and if you got any ???? just ask i will answer as soon as possible.
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Re: farm land buck
sorry guys i meant north when i said south, and north is to the top, west is all hunted and south is not hunted past the lines, the prevailing winds is southwest, and i never see mature bucks in the field in daylight and i believe that is because pressure and not easy access with the correct wind meaning they can't scent check the field first, also if you guys got and stand placements or small 1/4 to 1/2 acre food plots i am all ear and this is private land, do you guys think i am right about that statement????
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Re: farm land buck
come on can somebody give me some advice please
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1st of all welcome to the site... give it time, guys will chime in for ya
Tell me a few things, who many people hunt the property? How have you hunted it in the past? When do you start hunting it? I see you are "chumming" all winter long = constant activity on the property all winter long? Does grandpa or dad cut wood, atvs?, etc
If this was mine and I had it all to myself... this is what I would do kill a nice buck off it every now & then....
I would not step foot into the property (except maybe opening weekend if you glassed deer down in the inside corner of that bean field - perferably with a wind blowing out into the field) until around Nov 3rd give or take pending weather (cold snap and deer splattered all over the road I would start earlier). I would set up on the down wind side of the 1/3 that got clear cut (N side with S wind or vice versa) and I would sit from dark to dark - seriously. The tall grass to the West will likely have doe bedding, the clear cut might hold a bedded doe or two , and the tiny patch of CRP might hold a doe every now and then. IMO it is highly unlikely that bucks of that caliber are bedding in a woods that size with constant human intrusion. Save it for the rut, be patient, then hunt it hard Nov 3-12th... pull the cameras, nix the chumming until after season is over. Any other questions feel free to ask...
Grab some energy drinks or other fav beverage and start reading... this site is a whole library worth of information. The above is exactly what I would do on your property...
When I say North or South side (prefer North side so you don't have to cross the thicker undergrowth) what I'm referring to is bucks with cruise back and forth and they will use this slight cross wind (wind going thru the structure) to scent check it for does... they will cruise where the thick logged section meets the more open woods... set up with a 20-25 yard shot to that transition.
I hope I'm being clear, maybe you already understand this but I'm trying to explain as clear as I can what I mean in my above description.
Tell me a few things, who many people hunt the property? How have you hunted it in the past? When do you start hunting it? I see you are "chumming" all winter long = constant activity on the property all winter long? Does grandpa or dad cut wood, atvs?, etc
If this was mine and I had it all to myself... this is what I would do kill a nice buck off it every now & then....
I would not step foot into the property (except maybe opening weekend if you glassed deer down in the inside corner of that bean field - perferably with a wind blowing out into the field) until around Nov 3rd give or take pending weather (cold snap and deer splattered all over the road I would start earlier). I would set up on the down wind side of the 1/3 that got clear cut (N side with S wind or vice versa) and I would sit from dark to dark - seriously. The tall grass to the West will likely have doe bedding, the clear cut might hold a bedded doe or two , and the tiny patch of CRP might hold a doe every now and then. IMO it is highly unlikely that bucks of that caliber are bedding in a woods that size with constant human intrusion. Save it for the rut, be patient, then hunt it hard Nov 3-12th... pull the cameras, nix the chumming until after season is over. Any other questions feel free to ask...
Grab some energy drinks or other fav beverage and start reading... this site is a whole library worth of information. The above is exactly what I would do on your property...
When I say North or South side (prefer North side so you don't have to cross the thicker undergrowth) what I'm referring to is bucks with cruise back and forth and they will use this slight cross wind (wind going thru the structure) to scent check it for does... they will cruise where the thick logged section meets the more open woods... set up with a 20-25 yard shot to that transition.
I hope I'm being clear, maybe you already understand this but I'm trying to explain as clear as I can what I mean in my above description.
Last edited by Bucky on Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: farm land buck
I usually start hunting it when season opens but stay on the outskirts untill nov 3rd or so usually on weekends and usually night hunts cause i think this property is really hard to hung in the morning cause only access is from road to east and then through the river on the south, No atv or wood cutting and one other guy hunts it but not much, 2 guys hunt the west property pretty good on the weekends, If i said clear cut i really didn't mean it is has logged and now has grown up and is very thick on the northern side, and that is where i beleive that one big buck is bedding, in the thick crap on the nothern side. Or i beleive he is in the southern east part where there is no hunting and their is a pond. Those are mineral licks just inside the timber one on the south and one ten yards away from that inside corner. I check cams every 3 weeks to a month, Is that to much??? And the mineral licks i refreshen about every 4 months during summer. Should i not do mineral licks next year. And about the pressure i am trying to find some more land to hunt so i can keep some off the pressure off of this land, but man is it hard. I seen the smaller buck in the pictures bedded with a down on the southeast of the really think stuff left over from the logging last year. So do you guys think i don't see mature bucks in the fields becasue of the wind problem or because of the pressure???? thanks a lot bucky, and i can get to woods from the south using the dried creek, what would your guys's entrance and exit routes be??????????
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Re: farm land buck
Give me a couple days and I wil take a good look at this for you... I got a lot going on right now.
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My guess is the buck is coming from the SE given the amount of aerial photo you gave me + your description of hunting pressure. If he was in your woods I think you would be getting consistent photos of him (every other day or so) even if at night. How long have you hunted the property? Have you ever sat 10-2 during early November? I have a very similar property to this although likely a little smaller (10 acres) that I hunt. I know there are big bucks that travel through but don't necessarily live on the property. So I try to hunt it only when I feel the bucks are cruzn/traveling most = Nov 1st-14th most years. Two years ago the 1st day I sat on the property I arrowed a nice buck and the neighbor who helped me track it said he had been sitting almost every weekend since Sept and few nights during the week. I'm telling you the deer had him patterned! I came in and sat from dark until roughly 1030AM and never saw a deer, then from 11AM-2PM I saw activity and that pattern has held up on that property. I see the neighbors leaving most mornings even during the rut at roughly 9AM from their stands when I hunted the property (which is rarely these days, I used to hunt it hard). The deer had been conditioned to travel through late morning or early afternoon..
I know how fun the cameras are and I too over used them a bunch years ago. You gotta decide if your goal is get pics of them or have them hanging on you wall . Everytime you set foot in that woods to check your camera you are educating the deer that you have been there... this time of year they know that human presence in timber means one thing = predator!
I like the access from the South... on a North wind come Nov set up in that lower SE porition of the property and ride it out at least early AM - 1 or 2PM. During the rut even though you might bump deer in the AM, the AMs are likely more productive, especially late morning 9-11AM.
I too had limited options when I was a teen/early 20s and I thought it was impossible to find new spots (EVERYONE HUNTED! or so I thought) and public was a waste of time or so I thought I finally got past my own mind block and started checking out some public spots and asked everyone I knew and some I didn't know if I could hunt their property... most said no for various reasons but I did pick up a few other farms and a few public hunting options that were better than I thought for bow hunting. I guess what I'm saying here is doing the same thing you have been doing and expecting different results is likely not going to work...
Good luck! I look forward to Dan's take....
Maybe next year... take a whole different approach to the property and nix the cameras/chumming. Or is you have to put the camera on the field edge by the beans just until you a get a pic or two of a good buck to confirm they are still alive and then pull the cameras out by say early August.
I know how fun the cameras are and I too over used them a bunch years ago. You gotta decide if your goal is get pics of them or have them hanging on you wall . Everytime you set foot in that woods to check your camera you are educating the deer that you have been there... this time of year they know that human presence in timber means one thing = predator!
I like the access from the South... on a North wind come Nov set up in that lower SE porition of the property and ride it out at least early AM - 1 or 2PM. During the rut even though you might bump deer in the AM, the AMs are likely more productive, especially late morning 9-11AM.
I too had limited options when I was a teen/early 20s and I thought it was impossible to find new spots (EVERYONE HUNTED! or so I thought) and public was a waste of time or so I thought I finally got past my own mind block and started checking out some public spots and asked everyone I knew and some I didn't know if I could hunt their property... most said no for various reasons but I did pick up a few other farms and a few public hunting options that were better than I thought for bow hunting. I guess what I'm saying here is doing the same thing you have been doing and expecting different results is likely not going to work...
Good luck! I look forward to Dan's take....
Maybe next year... take a whole different approach to the property and nix the cameras/chumming. Or is you have to put the camera on the field edge by the beans just until you a get a pic or two of a good buck to confirm they are still alive and then pull the cameras out by say early August.
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bucky i have hunted to property for prolly 10 years but just recently started hunting it smart ie the wind and quit hunting the am's cause i would always bump deer, last year i did a couple all day sits but last year was a little warm around here for novemeber and i think that hurt movement, one day i was driving to go to stand and seen a nice 8 bedded in the field with a doe so i stalked him and got a shot and hit him and searched and searched and never found him the next day i went out without a bow ( i will never do that again), i kicked up the smalled of the two buck in the above pictures at 30 yards and he just stared at me , him and a doe were in the think stuff by the field on the north. And i had another mature buck on the southwest corner come in and i grunted and he came to 45 yards but i just was not comfortable with the shoot. I think you hit most everything on the head i shoot a 140 class (picture at bottom) november 5th 20009 at 2:00 and i think he was checking the thick but area and was headed some where else( he prollly had me patterened) cause i usually dont get to stand till three . So you think it is to late to take cams down. I still got to move some stand how that doesn't hurt to bad, and on a s or seast wind i should set up on the northeast corner by the beans on the northern thick stuff????? I am working on asking a few more people to hunt and public isn't really on option since they are so far away i think closest on is like two hours, and what you guys do when there is no food to concentrate on on those huge public lands. but i do go in for state park hunts and will prolly post some areials and topo of that and i was thinking about doing on out of state hunt say in ohio or something so i will be posting photos for that also, and u guys think that is smart to do even though i definatley don't know as much as you guys. Bucky it is scary how much you know about this land without being here, Have you hunted this property before???????? I am looking forward to hearing dans post on this subject.
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Re: farm land buck
I would put a stand up close to but not into the bedding area on the southern 1/3 of the property east side. You would hunt this stand with a west wind(AM or PM). You would also approach this stand from the east. I would also put a stand up North of the bedding area a little deeper into the woods for this stand. You would hunt this stand with a S, SW, W wind (evening). This stand would also be approached from the East. Looks like there are houses along the lake and I would think deer would be moving North because of this. Hope this gives you some ideas of where to hang a stand or two. You have to remember to hunt smart and use the wind (noticed you just started hunting the wind).
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Wind direction is important, thermal direction is important, where you scent blows due to wind/thermal from stand and ACCESS/EXIT route is also very important if you want to hunt that spot multiple times.
If conditions are not right it may be best to wait until they are.
It only takes one hunt to kill a deer and one hunt may also ruin a spot for a while.
If conditions are not right it may be best to wait until they are.
It only takes one hunt to kill a deer and one hunt may also ruin a spot for a while.
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Re: farm land buck
stanley, you said on the southern part to set a stand on the east side, and then hunt that in the morning, well how would be entrance route be cause i would have to blow all the deer out of the field to get to the stand if i come from the east, and then would i want to hunt that stand with a wind coming from the west blowing towards the east in the field correct???
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