Unofficial Beast Rub Study
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Good stuff. Yeah the beading/non-beading of the sap on evergreens was always a big clue to judging how near a bull may be while I was elk hunting. Big key on all species of trees is how shiny they look. The shinier the better/fresher. Of course to see this you have to get real close. I'm kinda surprised the shavings were still so visible on day 2. There usually pretty hard to find after the 1st day in my experience.
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Great idea to do this, thanks for taking the time.
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Bowhuntercoop wrote:Pretty neat, can’t wait to see how this is gonna pan out.
I think the hero gets the girl...
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Those are rubs dan made with his beast sticks. Don't be fooled
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magicman54494 wrote:Bowhuntercoop wrote:Pretty neat, can’t wait to see how this is gonna pan out.
I think the hero gets the girl...
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magicman54494 wrote:Bowhuntercoop wrote:Pretty neat, can’t wait to see how this is gonna pan out.
I think the hero gets the girl...
One can only hope it’s a story book ending...
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Awesome, thanks for doing this. Careful when it's gun season as you may get some Hunter excited seeing those rubs! May want to wear some blaze orange when you check them
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Crazinamatese wrote:Those are rubs dan made with his beast sticks. Don't be fooled
Anyone have an update from Dan if the decoy rub worked lol? This technique is definitely going in my bag of tricks
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one good way too tell is too smell it then cut the tree with your knife and smell that. the aroma of the tree changes as it dries. also look at the mildew spots on the wood in some of your pics that takes a week or so too show up but it only happens on certain trees. also you can carefully dig down threw the leaves too the shavings taking note of the leaves just on top of shavings. certain trees drop leaves before others so it can be a good indicator of time as long as you didn't have real heavy winds before hand. remember sun and shade too sun will dry out a rub fast.
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WELL... Life has gotten in the way just a tad. Or should I say life and hunting
Yesterday I didn't check the rubs due to sick kids. Missed work. Started the day with one being sick, ended the day with BOTH sick Today (Oct 20th) I felt hunting was more important. I'm sure you guys understand.
I should be able to make a quick trip out tomorrow to check progress. I'm sure its very different for you guys just reading and looking at pics, but for now I'm thinking the visibility and feel of the bark shavings will be the best indicator. That doesn't include the pine... I think the sap is the "go to" there. The obvious detail we should all have engrained in our brain is if you can feel moisture, its RED HOT. Definitely less than a day old.
I think the most interesting thing for me so far is the color change. Prior to the study we had a lot of talk on the forum about scraping the tree to gauge rub age. From my stand point, color changes quickly the first 24 hours, but after that it slows down. I don't think its going to be a reliable indicator unless the rub was just made and you know what to expect from that tree specie.
We did have high winds the last couple days, so I'm expecting the shavings to be much harder to find. Time of year (mainly leaf drop) and wind itself will be two things to consider when analyzing shavings at the base of the tree.
Yesterday I didn't check the rubs due to sick kids. Missed work. Started the day with one being sick, ended the day with BOTH sick Today (Oct 20th) I felt hunting was more important. I'm sure you guys understand.
I should be able to make a quick trip out tomorrow to check progress. I'm sure its very different for you guys just reading and looking at pics, but for now I'm thinking the visibility and feel of the bark shavings will be the best indicator. That doesn't include the pine... I think the sap is the "go to" there. The obvious detail we should all have engrained in our brain is if you can feel moisture, its RED HOT. Definitely less than a day old.
I think the most interesting thing for me so far is the color change. Prior to the study we had a lot of talk on the forum about scraping the tree to gauge rub age. From my stand point, color changes quickly the first 24 hours, but after that it slows down. I don't think its going to be a reliable indicator unless the rub was just made and you know what to expect from that tree specie.
We did have high winds the last couple days, so I'm expecting the shavings to be much harder to find. Time of year (mainly leaf drop) and wind itself will be two things to consider when analyzing shavings at the base of the tree.
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This is very interesting. Following for sure.
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Thanks lockdown this could be very helpful!
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So my last post the rubs were two days old. Days 3 and 4 were missed. In order to keep tabs on things Sunday night I had to tell the wife exactly what was going on and bring the kids with me. She rolled her eyes and said "as long as you have them home by 7:00.". I can just hear her telling her coworkers "IDK WHAT he's doing... rubbing trees and taking pictures as an experiment"
I was just happy she said 7:00. That gave me enough time to cruise some public at prime time (20 mile loop produced 2 does)
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THE RUBS ARE 5 DAYS OLD
Tree #1 - Pine tree
I circled the two previous scrapings. They basically match the original rub at this point which reinforces color itself is not a great indicator.
By accident I ended up digging down to a different layer of wood (left of the bottom circle). Who knows if the "inner core" of the tree will react the same, but we'll find out. You can see the sap beads are more plentiful, and its even running down the bark on the left side. What I'm gathering so far is lots of sap = older rub. In the next pic you can see it running down the bark.
Shavings are getting harder to see... there was a lot of them starting out.
The feel of the pine shavings are the same as the day after it was made. Very dry and brittle.
Tree #2 - BUCKTHORN
Fresh scrape visible... old ones not so much!
I could see a few shavings on the ground but the leaf litter really covered them up for this tree. I could definitely feel a little difference in dryness of the bark shavings on the tree itself and the few I found on the ground. They weren't brittle like the pine, but the ends felt pretty crisp and it was losing the elasticity.
Tree #3 - ASH
Can you see the new scraping? Yeah neither can I. It's there...
This one had the most shavings on the ground. They were getting harder to find but were still pretty visible. I can see how I would walk up to it and think it was a day or two old by the amount that was readily visible. Like the Buckthorn the shavings felt a LITTLE dryer.
Tree #4 - MYSTERY TREE
The rub does seem to be darkening some. The two old scrapings are circled with the new one above them.
Shavings on the tree and on the ground were consistent with the ash and buckthorn. Noticeably dryer but not night and day. Many of the shavings are about an inch long or so. The tips feel dry but they still bend without breaking.
I did swing in after work and take more pics today. Will post at a later date. Been busy packing for SD and I should have been in bed 2 hours ago
I was just happy she said 7:00. That gave me enough time to cruise some public at prime time (20 mile loop produced 2 does)
ANYWHO
THE RUBS ARE 5 DAYS OLD
Tree #1 - Pine tree
I circled the two previous scrapings. They basically match the original rub at this point which reinforces color itself is not a great indicator.
By accident I ended up digging down to a different layer of wood (left of the bottom circle). Who knows if the "inner core" of the tree will react the same, but we'll find out. You can see the sap beads are more plentiful, and its even running down the bark on the left side. What I'm gathering so far is lots of sap = older rub. In the next pic you can see it running down the bark.
Shavings are getting harder to see... there was a lot of them starting out.
The feel of the pine shavings are the same as the day after it was made. Very dry and brittle.
Tree #2 - BUCKTHORN
Fresh scrape visible... old ones not so much!
I could see a few shavings on the ground but the leaf litter really covered them up for this tree. I could definitely feel a little difference in dryness of the bark shavings on the tree itself and the few I found on the ground. They weren't brittle like the pine, but the ends felt pretty crisp and it was losing the elasticity.
Tree #3 - ASH
Can you see the new scraping? Yeah neither can I. It's there...
This one had the most shavings on the ground. They were getting harder to find but were still pretty visible. I can see how I would walk up to it and think it was a day or two old by the amount that was readily visible. Like the Buckthorn the shavings felt a LITTLE dryer.
Tree #4 - MYSTERY TREE
The rub does seem to be darkening some. The two old scrapings are circled with the new one above them.
Shavings on the tree and on the ground were consistent with the ash and buckthorn. Noticeably dryer but not night and day. Many of the shavings are about an inch long or so. The tips feel dry but they still bend without breaking.
I did swing in after work and take more pics today. Will post at a later date. Been busy packing for SD and I should have been in bed 2 hours ago
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Great work LD, very informative and something I will pay attention to in the future.
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i for sure have considered 1 week old rubs fresh after seeing this
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