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Wind change midday
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If the deer beds in the am and stays there all day, with am wind coming from west, but around noon changing to east - would the deer move midday, or be on an east facing point due to the am west wind?
I ordered 5 videos the other day, but haven't gotten them yet - but this has been bugging me for a while...
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If the deer beds in the am and stays there all day, with am wind coming from west, but around noon changing to east - would the deer move midday, or be on an east facing point due to the am west wind?
I ordered 5 videos the other day, but haven't gotten them yet - but this has been bugging me for a while...
Thanks!
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Re: Wind change midday
If it changes I move so I can kill em, Mike
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I guess to clarify, if I walk in midday - after the wind changes, do I look on the current leeward side, or the leeward side that he would have initially bedded in the morning?
With that extreme wind change, would they move midday or just turn around and face the wind?
With that extreme wind change, would they move midday or just turn around and face the wind?
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Is gonna be a really good chance to kill a nice buck. I hunt in the mountains of VA so even if the deer do not have to move far, they are in all likelihood gonna have to cross the top. The wind had been coming out of the north/NE for several days. Looking at the weather the night before I noticed that around 11am the direction was going to change and come out of the south. I sit on a low stand that morning, waiting on the wind direction to change, which it did around 1030am. I high tailed it to the top of the mountain. I don't know if it helped or not but I parked my 4wheeler in one spot I thought the deer would cross over and I sit in the other spot I thought it would cross. If the deer are bedded like we have learned, they are gonna be running at about half capacity when the wind direction changes as drastically as it did that day. That deer HAD to move and cross the top or it was gonna be at a severe disadvantage on the wrong side of the mountain in that particular wind. The deer came in walking below the top, just barely under the top. It probably came under me by less than 5 yards, but I was sitting on the ground and could not see over the top. When it hit the top it wheeled and walked directly at me and when I finally shot it, it was about 5 yards away. It was really unbelievable how helpless the deer really was being of of the wind like that.
Is that gonna happen every time the wind changes mid day? Probably not. But I guarantee your odds are going to go way up if you have a major wind change. It may not be a big deal in some flat places where the deer can just turn around, but here, if a deer is really going to bed like we learn they do, they are going to have to cross the top of the mountain. If you can get in between their beds, you are in a prime spot. I would suggest that you don't go to that spot until the wind actually changes though. I am hoping to get at least one day where this happens this year. Also, in the spot where I parked the 4 wheeler, I have a stand there and also a camera. If the deer had crossed there, I would have gotten it on camera and did have it on camera crossing to the side of the mountain it came from a few days earlier. I wish I had the wind data for that day.
Is that gonna happen every time the wind changes mid day? Probably not. But I guarantee your odds are going to go way up if you have a major wind change. It may not be a big deal in some flat places where the deer can just turn around, but here, if a deer is really going to bed like we learn they do, they are going to have to cross the top of the mountain. If you can get in between their beds, you are in a prime spot. I would suggest that you don't go to that spot until the wind actually changes though. I am hoping to get at least one day where this happens this year. Also, in the spot where I parked the 4 wheeler, I have a stand there and also a camera. If the deer had crossed there, I would have gotten it on camera and did have it on camera crossing to the side of the mountain it came from a few days earlier. I wish I had the wind data for that day.
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Bperdue21 wrote:Is gonna be a really good chance to kill a nice buck. I hunt in the mountains of VA so even if the deer do not have to move far, they are in all likelihood gonna have to cross the top. The wind had been coming out of the north/NE for several days. Looking at the weather the night before I noticed that around 11am the direction was going to change and come out of the south. I sit on a low stand that morning, waiting on the wind direction to change, which it did around 1030am. I high tailed it to the top of the mountain. I don't know if it helped or not but I parked my 4wheeler in one spot I thought the deer would cross over and I sit in the other spot I thought it would cross. If the deer are bedded like we have learned, they are gonna be running at about half capacity when the wind direction changes as drastically as it did that day. That deer HAD to move and cross the top or it was gonna be at a severe disadvantage on the wrong side of the mountain in that particular wind. The deer came in walking below the top, just barely under the top. It probably came under me by less than 5 yards, but I was sitting on the ground and could not see over the top. When it hit the top it wheeled and walked directly at me and when I finally shot it, it was about 5 yards away. It was really unbelievable how helpless the deer really was being of of the wind like that.
Is that gonna happen every time the wind changes mid day? Probably not. But I guarantee your odds are going to go way up if you have a major wind change. It may not be a big deal in some flat places where the deer can just turn around, but here, if a deer is really going to bed like we learn they do, they are going to have to cross the top of the mountain. If you can get in between their beds, you are in a prime spot. I would suggest that you don't go to that spot until the wind actually changes though. I am hoping to get at least one day where this happens this year. Also, in the spot where I parked the 4 wheeler, I have a stand there and also a camera. If the deer had crossed there, I would have gotten it on camera and did have it on camera crossing to the side of the mountain it came from a few days earlier. I wish I had the wind data for that day.
5 Yards!?!?! Wow!
Thanks for the story, it really spelled it out for me.
I am in the beginning phase of learning all this, never really had any mentors or knew that you could hunt land that family didn't own for many years...
Waiting on my Beast videos to arrive, and replaying Beast podcasts on my hour plus drive to work everyday helps, but you really painted a good picture for me.
Now, I dont know if there really is a bed where I am looking - but I have a little more confidence when I go out there. I've never hunted public land before, so the idea of heading out midday and bothering someone really bothers me - but I'm gonna give it a shot!
Thanks again!!
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I wouldn’t wait til midday, I would go in and “stage” somewhere that you could either hunt in that wind or could get to where you were wanting to go quickly but without alerting the target to your presence.
This is new to me too, but if the principles of how deer bed are correct, then this almost has to happen. I’m not sure what I did is a beast tactic, but I did deduce it from what I learned from the videos I watched. I’m not sure he would want to claim it lol. I can’t wait til his big woods dvd comes out so I can see if he addresses this situation or not. What is interesting after putting the beast thought process to work is that hunting is more of a thinking thing instead of a sitting back and waiting on something to happen thing. I was out of buck tags in 7 hunts last year lol, came back early from the vacation i took to hunt, and got my 11 year old a decent 7 point on the first day of rifle season. Bluntly, listening to Dan will help you kill deer, you just have to adjust what he is saying to your particular environment. I am really interested in if the 4 wheeler actually helped the deer cross where I wanted it to.
This is new to me too, but if the principles of how deer bed are correct, then this almost has to happen. I’m not sure what I did is a beast tactic, but I did deduce it from what I learned from the videos I watched. I’m not sure he would want to claim it lol. I can’t wait til his big woods dvd comes out so I can see if he addresses this situation or not. What is interesting after putting the beast thought process to work is that hunting is more of a thinking thing instead of a sitting back and waiting on something to happen thing. I was out of buck tags in 7 hunts last year lol, came back early from the vacation i took to hunt, and got my 11 year old a decent 7 point on the first day of rifle season. Bluntly, listening to Dan will help you kill deer, you just have to adjust what he is saying to your particular environment. I am really interested in if the 4 wheeler actually helped the deer cross where I wanted it to.
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Bperdue21 wrote:. I am really interested in if the 4 wheeler actually helped the deer cross where I wanted it to.
Good question.
Makes sense though, to move to the other side and protect yourself. 4 wheeler may have had something to do with it, but i was thinking he would have wanted to move to the other side anyway.
I am not a "super seasoned" hunter myself. 46 years old, hunted for 5 years when younger and not again until 3 years ago - I have only shot a small doe in 1987, and another on my property 2 seasons ago. Learning A LOT here. I really enjoy the "chess" side of the hunt. I also just like getting into nature, being still and observant. What I like most about this style of hunting- is it gives you an excuse, or reason to sit and observe throughout the year. I can't just sit in the woods without motivation...
I can't wait until my videos arrive... almost as excited about watching them as I am for bow season starting Saturday!
Thanks again!
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Just thinking out loud here, in my area there's basically point after point, so there would be a good chance the buck would be bedding with wind to back and essentially able to see the drainage between the two points and part of the next point. So does the buck cross the ridge with the wind shift or head over to the other point he's been looking at all morning, then turn and bed facing the point he was just on?
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I have point after point also but the mountain itself runs east-west. If the wind changed from west to east i could see where the deer would do something like that. However if the wind has been blowing out of the north, that deer wants to keep the wind to his back and use the elevation to keep an eye on what is going on below him. I may be totally off base, but this is what I am gathering. To stay in that setup he is gonna have to flip over the top of the mountain. You can’t set up til the wind actually changes or else you are gonna be blowing scent on him all morning. I am also assuming the deer isnt gonna bed in that upper third and then lose his sight advantage having to look up the ridge. My elevations are between 3000 and 3800 where I hunt.
The major thing is, if that deer has to move anywhere during daylight, you have an opportunity to kill him. The beauty of it is it is all trial and error. The only time I actually ever got to put this knowledge to use I killed a nice buck. Rest assured I will be experimenting and tweaking my theory.
The major thing is, if that deer has to move anywhere during daylight, you have an opportunity to kill him. The beauty of it is it is all trial and error. The only time I actually ever got to put this knowledge to use I killed a nice buck. Rest assured I will be experimenting and tweaking my theory.
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Zephyrus wrote:Bperdue21 wrote:. I am really interested in if the 4 wheeler actually helped the deer cross where I wanted it to.
Good question.
Makes sense though, to move to the other side and protect yourself. 4 wheeler may have had something to do with it, but i was thinking he would have wanted to move to the other side anyway.
He wanted to move to the other side. I just did not want him to cross in that spot and for him to cross further down the mountain. I was hoping he would see or smell the 4 wheeler and keep heading my way.
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My verbiage might be different than most here. But I call a point a funnel cause anything traveling either side of the ridge gets concentrated to a small spot. Have a spot where 2 points dump even better cause now u got 4.
Almost all the better buck beds I have stumbled on over the years are good for numerous winds. So a midday wind switch usually isn’t a big player. But odd winds on the other hand are my fav. East being my favorite! You give me a cloudy, misty, East wind at the right time. And I would bet the farm I’m gonna have action in Jackson
Almost all the better buck beds I have stumbled on over the years are good for numerous winds. So a midday wind switch usually isn’t a big player. But odd winds on the other hand are my fav. East being my favorite! You give me a cloudy, misty, East wind at the right time. And I would bet the farm I’m gonna have action in Jackson
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Boogieman1 wrote: Have a spot where 2 points dump even better cause now u got 4
Nice way to look at it. Thanks,that makes a lot of thus easier to understand!
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Nice buck!
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Even though he isnt a beast hunter, Mark Drury always talks about midday wind switched being the best days to kill big bucks, because they get out of their beds earlier since they aren't in a favorable wind spot. It makes total sense, and over the past few years, I have definitely seen more movement on days with wind shifts.
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Thesouthpaw wrote:Even though he isnt a beast hunter, Mark Drury always talks about midday wind switched being the best days to kill big bucks, because they get out of their beds earlier since they aren't in a favorable wind spot. It makes total sense, and over the past few years, I have definitely seen more movement on days with wind shifts.
I 100% agree with Drury on it. Know when it is supposed to happen and have a plan for when it does.
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