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Re: Pennsylvania new non typical archery record
nothing to see here.
But seriously the quality of bucks are improving here recently. Both from my personal observance in the field, and from seeing what other hunters are dragging out of the woods. I believe a combination of antler restrictions and fewer bucks taken in rifle season (due to fewer rifle hunters) are finally allowing a higher percentage of bucks to reach maturity.
But seriously the quality of bucks are improving here recently. Both from my personal observance in the field, and from seeing what other hunters are dragging out of the woods. I believe a combination of antler restrictions and fewer bucks taken in rifle season (due to fewer rifle hunters) are finally allowing a higher percentage of bucks to reach maturity.
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Re: Pennsylvania new non typical archery record
Josh_S wrote::shhh: nothing to see here.
But seriously the quality of bucks are improving here recently. Both from my personal observance in the field, and from seeing what other hunters are dragging out of the woods. I believe a combination of antler restrictions and fewer bucks taken in rifle season (due to fewer rifle hunters) are finally allowing a higher percentage of bucks to reach maturity.
How is the non-resident tag price? Might have to come take a look
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Hmmm, for all those who argue agains MAPRs, it is hard to argue against results. Michigan needs to go this way as well. Like John Adams said, "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
Departments use size requirements to manage fisheries pretty much everywhere. Some make it sound like a foreign/taboo topic for deer hunting. Essentially, it forces on average an older age structure.
Departments use size requirements to manage fisheries pretty much everywhere. Some make it sound like a foreign/taboo topic for deer hunting. Essentially, it forces on average an older age structure.
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Josh_S wrote::shhh: nothing to see here.
But seriously the quality of bucks are improving here recently. Both from my personal observance in the field, and from seeing what other hunters are dragging out of the woods. I believe a combination of antler restrictions and fewer bucks taken in rifle season (due to fewer rifle hunters) are finally allowing a higher percentage of bucks to reach maturity.
X2 I've notice great results in buck antler size from the time they introduced antler restrictions to now. I also see more bucks during the off season.
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CallMeFishmael wrote:Hmmm, for all those who argue agains MAPRs, it is hard to argue against results. Michigan needs to go this way as well. Like John Adams said, "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
Departments use size requirements to manage fisheries pretty much everywhere. Some make it sound like a foreign/taboo topic for deer hunting. Essentially, it forces on average an older age structure.
100% agree I'm all for apr's in Michigan. They need to expand it from the 13 counties. Nice to see it working in PA. My grandpa used to own a farm near breezewood, Pa before apr's. They shot a lot of dinks. I think the biggest they ever shot was 120 Incher. Tons of deer tho. To this day I've never seen has many deer has I saw has a kid in PA. They would come out to fields in the 100s off the mountain.
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The non-resident PA license isn't horrible...
PA underwent a fair bit of change all at once. It took a while for the ARs to work in many areas.
At the same time they were implemented, we also underwent a herd reduction. Our hunter numbers have dropped something like half a million since then too. (I remember when I was 12 getting ready to move camp the news announced over a million hunters are heading for the woods. Now it's like 600k).
That's all Big changes in itself. Couple them together and it was pretty drastic.
The ARs didn't show it's true effect until the last few years IMO. I'd showed some. Some areas better than others. My belief is the sheer number of button bucks behind shot as doe during the heavy herd reduction. Most the state had a 2 week doe season with a significant amount of tags. We killed a crazy amount of deer. It was a great time to be a young hunter...Seeing 20-30+ deer before 9am opening day on public land was pretty easy. We had a million hunters moving those deer around. It was chaotic at times.
Now, we have far less hunters. Our deer herd is smaller. Deer camps in the north that were always packed with hunters often aren't occupied during the opener anymore. You don't get the crazy pressured movement in lots of places. Plus less doe tags..Shorter doe seasons...And ARs effect is evident enough that even casual hunters are passing small bucks knowing they have a fair shot at a bigger buck.
Not long ago a 2.5yo was a pretty decent buck. A 3.5+ year old...Anything over 100" was somewhat rare and often the talk of the town if one got spotted or killed. Now a 2.5yo is pretty average. 3.5yos are much easier to come by in most areas.
Been a lot of change...That's for sure.
True Giants are out there. I really don't think it'll be too much longer till we are putting down some monsters...We may never compete with the buck belt of the Midwest...Just because of genetics and food in most the state..but that's not completely true. Our "big woods bucks" were always thought to be small and have inferior antlers. I don't see that...i see the same antler growth from up north as I do from down in the farmland.
PA underwent a fair bit of change all at once. It took a while for the ARs to work in many areas.
At the same time they were implemented, we also underwent a herd reduction. Our hunter numbers have dropped something like half a million since then too. (I remember when I was 12 getting ready to move camp the news announced over a million hunters are heading for the woods. Now it's like 600k).
That's all Big changes in itself. Couple them together and it was pretty drastic.
The ARs didn't show it's true effect until the last few years IMO. I'd showed some. Some areas better than others. My belief is the sheer number of button bucks behind shot as doe during the heavy herd reduction. Most the state had a 2 week doe season with a significant amount of tags. We killed a crazy amount of deer. It was a great time to be a young hunter...Seeing 20-30+ deer before 9am opening day on public land was pretty easy. We had a million hunters moving those deer around. It was chaotic at times.
Now, we have far less hunters. Our deer herd is smaller. Deer camps in the north that were always packed with hunters often aren't occupied during the opener anymore. You don't get the crazy pressured movement in lots of places. Plus less doe tags..Shorter doe seasons...And ARs effect is evident enough that even casual hunters are passing small bucks knowing they have a fair shot at a bigger buck.
Not long ago a 2.5yo was a pretty decent buck. A 3.5+ year old...Anything over 100" was somewhat rare and often the talk of the town if one got spotted or killed. Now a 2.5yo is pretty average. 3.5yos are much easier to come by in most areas.
Been a lot of change...That's for sure.
True Giants are out there. I really don't think it'll be too much longer till we are putting down some monsters...We may never compete with the buck belt of the Midwest...Just because of genetics and food in most the state..but that's not completely true. Our "big woods bucks" were always thought to be small and have inferior antlers. I don't see that...i see the same antler growth from up north as I do from down in the farmland.
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Hawthorne wrote:CallMeFishmael wrote:Michigan needs to go this way as well.
They need to expand it from the 13 counties.
Good chance it's coming....maybe even this fall, but as usual it all comes down to a vote. And the recent Mecosta CWD could throw a wrench in plans as well. Fingers are crossed though!
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Jonny wrote:Josh_S wrote::shhh: nothing to see here.
But seriously the quality of bucks are improving here recently. Both from my personal observance in the field, and from seeing what other hunters are dragging out of the woods. I believe a combination of antler restrictions and fewer bucks taken in rifle season (due to fewer rifle hunters) are finally allowing a higher percentage of bucks to reach maturity.
How is the non-resident tag price? Might have to come take a look
I believe around $120. Unfortunately we have a short 6 week archery season and no Sunday hunting.
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Passing young bucks is catching on....
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Josh_S wrote:Jonny wrote:Josh_S wrote::shhh: nothing to see here.
But seriously the quality of bucks are improving here recently. Both from my personal observance in the field, and from seeing what other hunters are dragging out of the woods. I believe a combination of antler restrictions and fewer bucks taken in rifle season (due to fewer rifle hunters) are finally allowing a higher percentage of bucks to reach maturity.
How is the non-resident tag price? Might have to come take a look
I believe around $120. Unfortunately we have a short 6 week archery season and no Sunday hunting.
You still have no sunday hunting? I can't believe they haven't gotten rid of that yet. $120 for a NR isn't that bad at all. Seems pretty low, although I wonder how many people go to Pennsylvania for deer hunting from other states
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Jonny wrote:Josh_S wrote:Jonny wrote:Josh_S wrote::shhh: nothing to see here.
But seriously the quality of bucks are improving here recently. Both from my personal observance in the field, and from seeing what other hunters are dragging out of the woods. I believe a combination of antler restrictions and fewer bucks taken in rifle season (due to fewer rifle hunters) are finally allowing a higher percentage of bucks to reach maturity.
How is the non-resident tag price? Might have to come take a look
I believe around $120. Unfortunately we have a short 6 week archery season and no Sunday hunting.
You still have no sunday hunting? I can't believe they haven't gotten rid of that yet. $120 for a NR isn't that bad at all. Seems pretty low, although I wonder how many people go to Pennsylvania for deer hunting from other states
Surprisingly I see a lot of Ohio and new York plates in my area of the state.
As far as Sunday hunting goes were a common wealth. We still outlaw tons of dumb stuff. You can't even buy alcohol unless it's from a beer distributor or a wines and spirits store.
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