Constant Pressure

[fishlips]

Not sure if someone has posted something about this, but I was listening to a wired to hunt podcast with the Lakosky's on it. Lee was talking about how he is constantly on his properties and around the deer on the properties and putting pressure on the deer constantly. It was pretty much along the lines of conditioning them to feel safe or safer around humans. I have no doubt it is an effective strategy and clearly works for them, but does anyone else think that is crossing a line? That may be a harsh way of putting it, but it didn't sound right when I heard it.

[whitetailassasin]

My personal opinion is the Lakosky's arent putting the kind of pressure guys in high pressure states are talking about, on his own lands. During hunting season he regulates it, and before hunting season, I doubt very highly he's stomping around in the bedding and creating the kind of pressure that drives deer away. Farming, planting, etc, isn't putting that pressure on. But I do believe that deer can become conditioned to that in which he does put on. They know his smell and where it's normal to smell him or her and where it isn't. Just like farmers all over have happened. That's the difference to me.

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[headgear]

Yep what WA said, you could easily go on walks or ride your land in a low impact way and get the deer use to you. It's not a terrible idea. Personally I think the biggest difference on their land vs public is the young bucks are never shot at so they don't have much reason to fear humans growing up. They are still plenty wary animals especially when they get older but that combo of no pressure on young bucks and getting deer use to people can certainly create a paradise for hunters.

[stash59]

I remember that one. What he said was that about once a week he hits every food plot. Refilling feeders and changing cards in cameras. So still pretty minimal. But yes conditioning the deer abit to activity and human odor.

Not sure I'd call it cheating though!

[fishlips]

I think the thing that threw me off with the whole podcast is the feeder/conditioning thing. It's just not a way I would want to hunt. No doubt they know what they are doing with growing and shooting big deer at an impressive clip. It was just kind of one of those moments where what they were saying didn't really appeal to me.

I guess at the heart of it, it is not different than what most people desire to do with their properties in their efforts to get big deer to move earlier.

[Stanley]

There is a huge difference between presence and pressure. Deer in the suburbs have human presence. Deer in heavily hunted areas have pressure. The difference is pressure has gun blasting and constant harassment going on. Presence has very little torment associated with it.

[Bowhunter4life]

My personal opinion is the Lakosky's arent putting the kind of pressure guys in high pressure states are talking about, on his own lands. During hunting season he regulates it, and before hunting season, I doubt very highly he's stomping around in the bedding and creating the kind of pressure that drives deer away. Farming, planting, etc, isn't putting that pressure on. But I do believe that deer can become conditioned to that in which he does put on. They know his smell and where it's normal to smell him or her and where it isn't. Just like farmers all over have happened. That's the difference to me.

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Completely agree.

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[Buckshot20]

My opinion they hunt 5yr old deer that they chose to let survive. We are hunting 5 yr old deer you learned to survive. The mistakes their deer made as 2yr olds had no consequence so there is a good chance they will repete it. Public pressured deer don't always have that option. I think their success comes more from great management than it does anything else. More power to them.

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[Edcyclopedia]

There is a huge difference between presence and pressure. Deer in the suburbs have human presence. Deer in heavily hunted areas have pressure. The difference is pressure has gun blasting and constant harassment going on. Presence has very little torment associated with it.

Good post Stan!

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[gjs4]

I have as much in common with Lee and Tiffany as adult films do to making marriages work

13000 ac - no really

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[JoeRE]

Deer can be trained like most any other animal. There's not really a distinct line between wild and tame. I am sure you can get a 200" buck to eat out of your hand if you work at it enough and start when he is a fawn.

Growing big bucks on large exclusive access estates and hunting down pressured big bucks are similar only in the hoped for outcome. Whichever you are interested in - go for it. But don't confuse the two.

[purebowhunting]

It you listen to the podcast the "pressure" or "condishioning" is on food plots and feeders, he states they never enter the woods until the rut and even then it's minimal. There are areas in all woods that deer expect to encounter human scent, then areas they don't and when they do you will see a negative reaction. It's really not much different than bed hunting on public, just that on public the area the deer don't expect to encounter human scent is their very small staging area and when they do encounter our scent there the gig is up.

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[PK_]

Presence does not equal pressure.

[dan]

I preach "low pressure" a lot... But, if you read between the lines I often say that having a couple areas you can travel your property where the deer expect you is a good thing... I am pretty sure Lakosky is just walking around the fields and trails and staying out of bedding.

[TNstalker]

Some of my hunting buddies believe that In a setting where deer live close to people u can condition them to ur scent where they don't freak as bad when they smell it. Kinda like hey smelled that scent before hasn't bothered me yet kinda reaction. But in a large public area way back in where deer don't see or smell humans much I doubt u have the same reaction.

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