BassBoysLLP wrote:Buffalo county is a whitetail eutopia. The flagship. Big private ownership. One of the largest QDM cooperatives in the state, if not the largest. Contrary to other counties, shining is illegal. With the exception of a few public pieces, its a pay to play county.
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Bucky wrote:Buffalo is almost all private land
As far as entries in record books that would be consistent within the same state over time. For example it is NOT likely that someone in SE would enter a 200"er... while someone in West would not. The probability over time within the same state would not be statistically significant.
The peak of the Whitetail herd population was roughly a decade ago.... we are on the down swing here in WI.
This seems to be happening throughout the Midwest to the point that you have people like Dr Woods discussing it on a national platform. IMO we don't wanna go back to the 70s or yrs of low low deer #s
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Bucky wrote:Poaching may or may not be a factor too. Our area has had multiple serial thrill killers in the past 5yrs. In 2009 my buddy and I found 16 dead bucks on his property. Most in fields or within shooting distance of roads. The fines and punishments were ridiculously weak too. I like shining as much as the next guy... but it possibly could be detrimental.
Search Green Lake Cty thrill killers if u wanna read more. The case before that was even bigger.... it was EAB and the group was killing does to sell for EABs... the bucks they left lay.... SICK
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dan wrote:Bucky wrote:Poaching may or may not be a factor too. Our area has had multiple serial thrill killers in the past 5yrs. In 2009 my buddy and I found 16 dead bucks on his property. Most in fields or within shooting distance of roads. The fines and punishments were ridiculously weak too. I like shining as much as the next guy... but it possibly could be detrimental.
Search Green Lake Cty thrill killers if u wanna read more. The case before that was even bigger.... it was EAB and the group was killing does to sell for EABs... the bucks they left lay.... SICK
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Poachers shine whether its legal or not. Its like outlawing guns, thinking its going to stop homicides. I really think it has a small effect on most properties, unless you got a group of poachers right near you... They get caught pretty fast... I know when I have been stopped shining in some pretty rural areas the cop said they were watching me with planes...
dan wrote:Bucky wrote:Poaching may or may not be a factor too. Our area has had multiple serial thrill killers in the past 5yrs. In 2009 my buddy and I found 16 dead bucks on his property. Most in fields or within shooting distance of roads. The fines and punishments were ridiculously weak too. I like shining as much as the next guy... but it possibly could be detrimental.
Search Green Lake Cty thrill killers if u wanna read more. The case before that was even bigger.... it was EAB and the group was killing does to sell for EABs... the bucks they left lay.... SICK
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Poachers shine whether its legal or not. Its like outlawing guns, thinking its going to stop homicides. I really think it has a small effect on most properties, unless you got a group of poachers right near you... They get caught pretty fast... I know when I have been stopped shining in some pretty rural areas the cop said they were watching me with planes...
matt1336 wrote:Bucky wrote:Buffalo is almost all private land
As far as entries in record books that would be consistent within the same state over time. For example it is NOT likely that someone in SE would enter a 200"er... while someone in West would not. The probability over time within the same state would not be statistically significant.
The peak of the Whitetail herd population was roughly a decade ago.... we are on the down swing here in WI.
This seems to be happening throughout the Midwest to the point that you have people like Dr Woods discussing it on a national platform. IMO we don't wanna go back to the 70s or yrs of low low deer #s
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Wow Bucky. Thanks for the research. For arguments sake- I'm going to say that the selective harvest that is more widely paracticed in western wi- especially BC and the lack of public land is what's really driving those records up. I understand the mineral content of the land in the west and how that benefits growth. However, it's not like SE WI has horrible dirt either. Dodge county and Fond du Lac are becoming destination hunting counties because of the deer that are being killed there. Incidentally, these counties are very sought after for crop farming.
In se WI all deer need is time. They get more time in the west than they do in the east. It really is as simple as that.
I'm not trying to take anything away from the west side. Quite honestly, I'd rather be hunting the west side than the marshes where I live in Washington county. I'm simply saying that this part of the state is very capable of growing world class deer.
Again thanks for the research Bucky. I'd love to sit down with a bunch of you guys with some beverages and talk deer!
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It would mean even residents would have to put in for a draw probably...and non residents would need many preference points.fishlips wrote:Some of the county to county or region to region comparisons seems like varying degrees of awesomeness. Dodge Co has some great entries and is closer to the masses. Western WI seems to have that top level mix of ingredients that can kick out world class deer.
Lower human population and less public land that way certainly helps.
Is SE MN pretty good as well? I used to visit the winona area and the terrain across the river seems awesome for growing big ones. Does their early gun season hurt them?
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JoeRE wrote:I will say if Wisconsin wanted to become the big buck capital of the universe, just severely cap the hunter numbers to bring pressure down to Iowa levels. It has the dirt across much of the state and 5 times the amount of cover.
Of course anyone in the DNR who recommends that would get death threats
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