Guilty or not guilty of taking a buck illegally?
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Guilty or not guilty of taking a buck illegally?
The other thread got me to thinking about this.
A friend of mines son was going to college in Wisconsin. He graduated college and was living (with his girl friend) and working in Wisconsin. Kind of like young kids do he kept his Iowa drivers license and his car plates were from Iowa, never got a Wisconsin drivers license or plates. His banking and e-checks were deposited in Iowa.
His uncle invites him to go bow hunting in Iowa. The guy kills a huge 8 point buck gross scores right at 180 (pictured). Then the nightmare starts. Someone turns him in for illegally hunting in Iowa as a Wisconsin resident. The DNR goes to the Taxidermist and confiscates the rack. He writes the kid up for illegally taking a trophy buck in Iowa. The kid hires a lawyer and it goes to court. Is the kid guilty or not guilty. I know the answer and will post up the answer later on.
A friend of mines son was going to college in Wisconsin. He graduated college and was living (with his girl friend) and working in Wisconsin. Kind of like young kids do he kept his Iowa drivers license and his car plates were from Iowa, never got a Wisconsin drivers license or plates. His banking and e-checks were deposited in Iowa.
His uncle invites him to go bow hunting in Iowa. The guy kills a huge 8 point buck gross scores right at 180 (pictured). Then the nightmare starts. Someone turns him in for illegally hunting in Iowa as a Wisconsin resident. The DNR goes to the Taxidermist and confiscates the rack. He writes the kid up for illegally taking a trophy buck in Iowa. The kid hires a lawyer and it goes to court. Is the kid guilty or not guilty. I know the answer and will post up the answer later on.
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Re: Guilty or not guilty of taking a buck illegally?
Do you know if the address on his license was from his parents house who still resided in Iowa?
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Re: Guilty or not guilty of taking a buck illegally?
Ryan wrote:Do you know if the address on his license was from his parents house who still resided in Iowa?
He never changed any of that. I think the law requires you to obtain a Wisconsin drivers license within 60 days.
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I thought Iowa was a sanctuary area?
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Was he filing resident or non-resident taxes? In which state? Was he paying resident or non-resident tuition? Was he intending to move back to IA? How long was he in WI after graduation? Etc. If it was illegal I'm sure he knew and just wanted a coveted IA archery tag. Did he have resident licenses in WI (fishing/hunting)? I'll be curious to find out. I do feel bad for the guy in a way, unless he's been getting resident privs in two states, then I'd say he just didn't think he'd ever get caught.
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I feel bad for him, bit i'd say the buck was poached. He was out of college and living in WI......
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Double dipping got him caught to some level...
Same thing is done a million times with the flybirds going to Florida every year for the winter.
Trying to beat the system/taxes, etc...
Same thing is done a million times with the flybirds going to Florida every year for the winter.
Trying to beat the system/taxes, etc...
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Re: Guilty or not guilty of taking a buck illegally?
I've had a couple of similar licensing situations in my life. Headed them off by calling a conservation officer or license center before buying any licenses or stepping foot in the woods, and got responses in writing so I had documentation.
I don't know the individual's intentions, but it sure sounds to me he knew he'd be operating in a gray area and didn't do due diligence to figure out the correct action first. He's at least guilty of that.
It's not that hard to dial up a CO/Game Warden and ask some questions, especially if it's BEFORE you've done something that might be questionable. Game and fish rules can be really complex and a lot of non-law enforcement officers try to clarify them on the internet or elsewhere. Go to the guy/gal who will actually enforce them in your area and you'll get the only clarification that matters.
I don't know the individual's intentions, but it sure sounds to me he knew he'd be operating in a gray area and didn't do due diligence to figure out the correct action first. He's at least guilty of that.
It's not that hard to dial up a CO/Game Warden and ask some questions, especially if it's BEFORE you've done something that might be questionable. Game and fish rules can be really complex and a lot of non-law enforcement officers try to clarify them on the internet or elsewhere. Go to the guy/gal who will actually enforce them in your area and you'll get the only clarification that matters.
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Once he graduated it was illegal to hunt Iowa as a resident. I had a similar situation going to college in michigan, once I graduated started patina nr fees to hunt wisconsin.
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Did he ever buy Wisconsin tags?
What type tag did he buy? Res or non?
What type tag did he buy? Res or non?
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If it's his parents property and he lived there before I don't see anything wrong with it . As tiny as our states are it's very common for people to spend a majority of their time out of state for college and jobs. I live in Tennessee but work in a Louisiana every week because that's where I can make enough to keep my bills paid. I don't see anything wrong with hunting back home as long as he followed that states hunting laws. If he was on public land hopefully he purchased tags.
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I'd say not guilty. If he never officially changed his state of residency, he's still an Iowa resident. Did he file any tax forms?
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Guilty. You can't double dip. Either cheap WI resident tuition or plan on giving up IA hunting for 3+ years. I'm sure he would have opted to buy a legal IA tag if it was affordable and an option.
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Re: Guilty or not guilty of taking a buck illegally?
Zap wrote:Did he ever buy Wisconsin tags?
What type tag did he buy? Res or non?
Question that first entered my mind, was his Iowa tag a non resident tag?
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Its each person's responsibility to know and follow the laws, rules and regs. When people find loopholes and cheat the system, this just invites the creation of more laws, rules, and regs.
If he graduated in May, then that is plenty of time to act ahead of time and get things in order. He failed to do this. My vote was illegal.
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