Just to be clear for the new folks what is being talked about are two separate things.
There is moon phase such as full moon and new moon, etc and moon transit which is the times of day that the moon is directly overhead/underfoot.
I have tracked both for every one of my hunts since 2006, up to a couple hundred hunts now, and there seem to be some vague correlations but right now I am sort of on the fence if moon transit really makes a difference. The strongest moon related correlation I have seen is that the mornings after full moons are terrible hunting which yep is exactly the opposite of what Hawthorne described. There seems to be better mid-day movement during full moons but that is when full moon transit times occur so it becomes challenging to say what causes what. Mostly I am skeptical because there is so much else going on and most studies find no evidence of the moon effecting humans or animals. It remains a faith based issue just like scent control
One thing I am 100% certain of - any moon effects are secondary factors at best, things such as weather, stage of rut, and hunting pressure have a far greater impact. Dabble in it if you want but be proportional with your time.
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Joe I like to think of the moon as a comibation factor when hunting. Early season food/water/moon combo, or a rut/moon combo. I have done well hunting buck beds on late oct or early nov/moon days.
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I've made this comment to my patrol buddies, figures, a full moon. Once I get back on the road maybe I should really start to watch behavior and crime on full moon.
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Way to many other factors that are stronger movers than the moon. I've watched the moon since I was a kid and listen to many different theories. But the fact remains no biological studies have conclusively/ consistently suggested the moon affect land mammals in a certain way. Everyone just has their own theory, and they vary.. More importantantly barometric pressure, daily weather conditions, weekly and monthly weather conditions, mast crop, hunting pressure, predation, phase of rut, available food, available water, available cover, wind direction, wind speed, temp, cloud cover, etc, etc. All these things constantly change. No moon study can be done because it's way to uncontrolled. There are to many changing variable that we know affect deer more.. I only get to hunt a certain amount and my best spots are saved for 1. Right time of season 2. Wind direction 3. Weather conditions 4. But equally important, where other hunters are.
By then the moon is such an after thought I would not consider it except maybe stay an extra hr or arrive an hr earlier... But it does not play a role in where I hunt...
I guess if you plan a trip a yr in advance, besides trying to time the rut I suppose u could use the moon phase... Since u have no way to know weather conditions...
I have an app on my phone that tells me the moon phases and o/h & u/f, rarely look at it..
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By then the moon is such an after thought I would not consider it except maybe stay an extra hr or arrive an hr earlier... But it does not play a role in where I hunt...
I guess if you plan a trip a yr in advance, besides trying to time the rut I suppose u could use the moon phase... Since u have no way to know weather conditions...
I have an app on my phone that tells me the moon phases and o/h & u/f, rarely look at it..
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And I have seen no correlation in trail pics and moon phase.. The one thing that gets u a large increase in daytime feeding pics is incoming fronts...
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But the fact remains no biological studies have conclusively/ consistently suggested the moon affect land mammals in a certain way.
I seen a couple... They didn't call it moon o/h - u/f though they had some name for the moon at that period, and those two studies I seen showed significant movement in that time frame... A lot of the other studies when searching centered around full moon and no moon, and those had not much impact.
But to be fair, I also saw studies that watched the full moon period and did not see much change. But most of those studies only had a few deer collared.
My own observations have shown me there is certainly something to the o/h u/f theories, but its not the same across the board... At home when shining in the summer I can set my watch based on the moon for great shining times, however I don't see bucks cruising in daylight at all except maybe the rare exception, so you only see a little movement gained, but if it gets them 20 extra yards in daylight it can be enough to kill them. I agree, that here, weather greatly trumps moon during hunting season and daylight hours...
However, I go to western Wisconsin and hunt the public hills and if I hunt all day the over all majority of the daytime cruising is often within the hour of o/h or u/f... I would have to look at my notes from last year but it was typical somewhere around 9 deer seen in two days of all day hunting and 7 of them were within that hour. Thats the same results I get every year since I started paying attention.
Then, when I hunt Andraes managed farm in North East Iowa, you can set your watch all season long to the movement based on the moon. You just watch the food plots and moon times and its right on... But, the big mature bucks are not walking into the food plots daylight time usually moon or not. But that don't mean there not on there feet...
In conclusion, based on my observations, moon o/h & u/f (mostly o/h) certainly makes a difference in deer movement, but it seems there are some other factors like pressure that effect it... And I do agree that a cold front will trump the moon... Its just a little something extra to factor in.
For those who say "who cares" I just hunt when I can anyways... If you took lunch at 11:00 and left the woods when it was an 11:30 moon and you were hunting the hills in western wisconsin where I hunted you would of missed 7 of the nine deer that came by... Not saying you should live by it, but pay attention to it, and see if it effects your sightings in your area.
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BHC wrote:And I have seen no correlation in trail pics and moon phase.. The one thing that gets u a large increase in daytime feeding pics is incoming fronts...
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That has also been my findings. The best things about cameras and checking deer movement. You have 24/7 for months on end of unbiased, non opinionated data. The cameras have no predisposition like people do.
You can fool some of the bucks, all of the time, and fool all of the bucks, some of the time, however you certainly can't fool all of the bucks, all of the time.
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.Stanley wrote:IBHC wrote:And I have seen no correlation in trail pics and moon phase.. The one thing that gets u a large increase in daytime feeding pics is incoming fronts...
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That has also been my findings. The best things about cameras and checking deer movement. You have 24/7 for months on end of unbiased, non opinionated data. The cameras have no predisposition like people do.
I agree with BHC's statement but the vast majority of my cameras aren't in transitional cover. In other words, if the buck gets up early due to the moon and hangs in transitional cover to the same time as always, I'd never see it on camera. My rut cruising area pictures don't definitively prove the moon theory either.
I personally feel new moon vs. full moon has a bigger impact on movement.
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