coyote hunters (dogs) trespassing
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Tim, it's time to stop being the nice guy.
I'd love to get a whole flock of shed dogs and let them loose. Where I have permission of course!
I'd love to get a whole flock of shed dogs and let them loose. Where I have permission of course!
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OH nontypical wrote:wibowhntr wrote:Guys we shouldn't even be having this conversation. We as hunters should be setting the example of showing respect to others and their property. We aren't entitled to anything that isn't ours.
X2. You have zero right to be on property you do not have permission. I don't doubt that controlling hounds isnt easy and I love dogs but I can't see how anyone can think it's ok to let their hounds tramp all over someone's property without permission. Very irresponsible and gives hunting a bad name. Just my opinion.
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Haus86 wrote:Tim, it's time to stop being the nice guy.
I'd love to get a whole flock of shed dogs and let them loose. Where I have permission of course!
I'm on your side Haus but I would say the shed is the landowners property unlike the coyote it's the state's property. Same reason you can't sue your neighbor for shooting "your" big buck that's been hanging out on your property until Nov 15. Coyotes are vermin, there will always be special provisions. Heck in SD all a coyote has to do is look at you wrong and you can shoot him, even on someone else's prop using your truck...or helicopter, to run it down
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We had coon hunters (a neighbor) this year ask to hunt our land on October 30th. We told him he could hunt it all he wants after the gun deer season in November. We got pics of him on our land that very night, as well as before he even asked. Deer sightings have been bad all season. He always says coon dogs don't bother the deer. I beg to differ. Draw your on conclusions. By the way we do have another group that runs dogs for coyotes, an they wait till we are done deer hunting. They know we are avid deer hunters and told us they wouln't run thier dogs till after late bow season.
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Im glad there are guys out there killing n trapping coyotes. We just had a pack of em take a horse down n eat it alive. Then come backn try to kill another horse. They r getting bad around here n something needs to b done. Kill em.
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We always wait till after deer season to run dogs. If your a non resident you don't have to deal with the money loss or constantly worried about your livestock. my dogs going threw your land isn't illegal And there is a reason for it.call it disrespect call it what you want but we the residents have to make a living hear that's just how it is.
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At times there have been coyote hunters hunting on my step dads land , he don't care, he hopes they kill em all. I just don't think running hounds AFTER deer season in the winter months is gonna hurt your deer hunting in the fall. Coyotes really can put a hurt on the duck and pheasant population by destroying the nests and killing the hens. There is so many parcels of land that have different owners, some owners live in other states and it would be hard to look up all those land owners , you might never even get a hold of them. Coyotes kill deer fawns and can put a hurt on the rabbit population. They are doing the landowner a favor my getting rid of those varmints, there is too many of them. As long as it's after deer season and it's just on rare occassion I see no problem with it. If you do have a problem with it then call the sheriff and have them pay a fine. By the way I don't coyote hunt or run hounds
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Can I have your hunting address Iowa Whitetail? I want to hunt some deer there, the neighbors don't like deer so it's ok and no big deal. That of course is just a comparison and in no way real, but you get the point. Your dog is an extension of you, if your dog goes on another's land it's trespassing and illegal in most states. It is up for you to decide what walks on your land , 2 feet or 4 feet. I would call the gw DB. If they asked id let them, if they didn't ask I wouldnt and I would make an example out of them with trespassing tickets. I do not like coyotes, but it is not up to a trespasser to determine where he can or can't go just because it is a coyote vs a deer. Anyone who allows their dogs to run wild and "not lose sleep over it" is a slob and unethical hunter imho and a black eye to all hunters. It's called respect.......
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deer don't kill cows, it's not illegal for dogs to run threw your land. if you had to make a living hear and coyotes were destroying your income you would feel diff. I guess if people don't like it go buy land in a state it's illegal to do it. come hear and tell the farmers your going to buy land to hunt deer and they will not be hunting coyotes and deal with the calf loss and loose money I bet they would understand.Brad wrote:Can I have your hunting address Iowa Whitetail? I want to hunt some deer there, the neighbors don't like deer so it's ok and no big deal. That of course is just a comparison and in no way real, but you get the point. Your dog is an extension of you, if your dog goes on another's land it's trespassing and illegal in most states. It is up for you to decide what walks on your land , 2 feet or 4 feet. I would call the gw DB. If they asked id let them, if they didn't ask I wouldnt and I would make an example out of them with trespassing tickets. I do not like coyotes, but it is not up to a trespasser to determine where he can or can't go just because it is a coyote vs a deer. Anyone who allows their dogs to run wild and "not lose sleep over it" is a slob and unethical hunter imho and a black eye to all hunters. It's called respect.......
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Farmers don't lose calves to coyotes around my region of Iowa. It is very rare. All of the farmers I know have never been concerned about coyotes. What they do complain about are deer, which coyotes eat, but for some reason all of these big grain farmers won't let anyone hunt deer.
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I had to deal with this on my property when i fist bought it 2006. It's all about respect, and/or lack of it. To let your dog/dogs run uncontrollably is irresponsible, and to let them loose knowing that ahead of time is worse. If people are allowed to blame the trespassing on their dog it opens up a whole new can of worms for every type of hunting that people can take their dog on.. The worst part for the landowner is if one of these pukes or their dogs gets hurt while trespassing. Yes, they might try to press charges. It happened to me.
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One farmer had 28 killed in one year and multiple killed other years. One of my good friends had 3 in one night as soon as the calf hits the ground they eat holes in the hind end and eat the afterbirth. The farmer would not let us hunt until he lost all the calves gave us 3000 dollars for fuel to kill them we killed little over 200 of them that year.
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nobody is against coyote hunting im guessing--me included. as a matter of fact i allow my neighbor to hunt them on my land AFTER deer season is over for me. AND with my permission. he even built a box blind on the edge of one of my fields to do so. came in second place with one at 43lbs. my point is this---do it legally/ethically with permission. brad hit it on the head. if your neighbors hate deer cause all the corn loss and they allow him to hunt it and he says oh well if i end up on YOUR PROPERTY and kills the state record typical or even a doe in the middle of your farm hunting the vermin deer that eat all your neighbors corn you would have no problem with that???? doubt it
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I would like to say that this debate is a good debate with lots of perspective and respect for others! This is why the Beast is the Beast...
Iowa I hear you - and can only imagine what the farmers can endure from Yotes - I don't think it has anything to do with someones livelihood, as most of us would understand that side of things.
I have an acquaintance near my camp that lost 28 Bison yearlings and asked me to buy the last 4 before the coyotes killed them too.
These are 200-250 pound Bison that the packs of yotes demolished in less than one year!!! Truly devastating...
Just can't have a double standard.
If you want a sanctuary for deer (or your neighbor does, no matter if he is an out of stater) then keep bad influences out (people, dogs, etc)
If you want crops and farm animals then keep those influence out (Turkey, deer, fox, coyote, rabbits etc...)
I would love to have the phone numbers of farmers in Iowa that want help with predators cause I would make it worthwhile for them.
I would pay then to lease their land to kill deer on (including Does, crop damage tags etc) and then spend time killing the predators in the off-season sounds like a win-win situation!
Iowa I hear you - and can only imagine what the farmers can endure from Yotes - I don't think it has anything to do with someones livelihood, as most of us would understand that side of things.
I have an acquaintance near my camp that lost 28 Bison yearlings and asked me to buy the last 4 before the coyotes killed them too.
These are 200-250 pound Bison that the packs of yotes demolished in less than one year!!! Truly devastating...
Just can't have a double standard.
If you want a sanctuary for deer (or your neighbor does, no matter if he is an out of stater) then keep bad influences out (people, dogs, etc)
If you want crops and farm animals then keep those influence out (Turkey, deer, fox, coyote, rabbits etc...)
I would love to have the phone numbers of farmers in Iowa that want help with predators cause I would make it worthwhile for them.
I would pay then to lease their land to kill deer on (including Does, crop damage tags etc) and then spend time killing the predators in the off-season sounds like a win-win situation!
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OK, here is the thing, they drove up my easement road and put fresh dogs on the track, so its not like JUST THE DOGS were on my land, they clearly switched out dogs on my land... They knew they were on somebody else's land, and did not ask anybody for permission.. And yes, this will be the last time they get by with it, the next time I'm calling it in... And for you guys thinking your doing me a favor by killing them, did you ever think maybe that I like calling for coyotes on my land, meaning I want to hunt them myself?
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