I think you took my post the wrong way. What I said is mature bucks only tolerate so much suspicious activity before moving on. I don't doubt that some deer , heck even mature bucks, probably act like nothing is wrong and just do a stare down, but that is PRESSURE. Pressure takes many forms, but the important thing is it can alter the movement of deer. That one time that you didn't think did any damage could be the last straw that buck is giving that property, we do not know the other interruptions it has incurred. BUT that is still not the point really either, the point is that a hunter (or hunters dogs which means an extension of the owner) are saying its no big deal and run them anyway regardless of where they go. That is slob hunting, and a horrible attitude in general towards hunting. That is the very stuff that gives all hunters a bad name.
Say I coyote hunt my land too (I don't own land so take it with a grain of salt) , and your hounds run off some coyotes off my land. I don't own the coyotes, nor does anyone own any free range animal, but you just trespassed by allowing them to run off the coyote that I might have killed later that evening etc. I am not a fan of coyotes and love to see them shot, so keep that in mind. Let's say you have a 180" buck living on your land, and I decide to take a stroll and push that animal off to land I can hunt so I can kill it, that is the same thing and anyone who says otherwise is a hypocrite.
Now it sounds like you have control over your hounds and that is great, but if you have control over them that means you run them on land you have access too and keep them off the land you don't, its that simple.
I do not care if neighbor Joe lost 500 calves this year , no trespassing means no trespassing, and anyone who does what this thread is about should be ticketed. I do not know the circumstances on running hounds but I think it would be great fun and i would love to try it, but it has to follow the laws just like anything else. Anyone who disregards one law or "ethics" (unwritten laws) probably is liberal on the other laws that they pick and choose to follow. Anyone that admits on here that they don't care about what their dogs do automatically makes me question the legality and ethics on every other kill they have made, whitetail, turkey, coyote etc.
vanceg wrote:Brad wrote:I call BS on the dogs (or hunters) not bothering the deer. Anyone ever see Hill country bucks and the dogs that ran a deer out of his bed? Also, I can see a buck being more tolerant of a dog or human intrusion at night than during the day, but that is not the point. Big bucks bed in a spot for a reason, and every intrusion in there is another notch in his weariness belt that might make him take up residence elsewhere, but even that is not the point. The point is if you are dogs are on land that you do not own and without permission, you are trespassing. Some states may allow it but it is still unethical and not right, and I would refer to someone who knowingly does this as a slob hunter, the same group of people I group as the type of hunter who trespass for other game animals, steal tree stands, or cams. We all know what is right and wrong, and this is clearly wrong and some still promote it.
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You can call BS on dogs not bothering deer all you want but you don't know what you're talking about. You can't compare my trained hounds to some deer chasing yard dog. I control what my hound chases as do most hound hunters. Now when I get a pup, that pup better have the desire to track and chase any critter that moves in the woods. I like to eliminate deer first. My young dogs will attempt to run after a deer one time in its life, it ends that day. I train my hounds to chase what I want them to chase. I don't have time for a dog that runs deer or other off game. I wish guys like you could come hunting with me for a day to watch how deer react to hounds. Totally different situation then some yard dog mutts running deer. Since the invention of gps tracking devices I have total control over my dogs even when they are two miles away. There are some slob hound guys but there are a bunch of slob deer hunters out there too. Please don't lump all of us hound guys in with the bad ones. It's not the dogs fault either, its the owners.