Anyone else notice bricks bedding VERY near heavily over hunted stands? Or on or very near typical hunter access routes such as ATV trails etc???
I see it very often here....
I am guessing they do it because they can dip out or never move till after dark if the hunter shows up...
I've never paid attention to wind direction when they are there but will start...its just all the time when we are driving deer in rifle season we jump bucks within view of someone's stand we know they hunt ALL the time..
Or right off the main trail...or even next to the road etc....
I shot a buck a couple years ago still hunting/pushing to dad...dad bumped him out of a field in the dark walking in...I rolled in around 9am and got on a old logging road..wind in my face...raining..I knew I'd find one laying on thepoint..he jumped up and i crushed him...he was sitting there winding my dad and had a good escape route..had it been loud walking I'd never ever seen him...raining like that and knowing bucks bed there...I walked in with the rifle on my shoulder..when he jumped it was a matter of pulling the trigger...
This year I had one bedding right behind a building on a point...I couldn't figure out why for 2 years its been cat n mouse... I got aggressive out of frustration this season and realized why he was always 3 steps ahead...he was bedding within view of where I parked!!! I parked a long ways away and snuck in one day...sure enough broad daylight and he is running does around a field....I didn't hunt the field edge..
Of course he vanished after that....
Do they do it because of the extremely high pressure we see here?? That's my guess...its hard to grasp just how smart they can be...sometimes I feel like I give them too much credit...other I realize I don't give them nearly enough...
Also...here..there are veryyyyy few places hunters don't go...people litteraly push out back yards....naturally we don't have monster bucks that live to old age..3.5 is pushing it...I really don't know where the 3.5 and 4.5 year olds hide...I'm trying to figure that out...
It seems like once the season is over they know it..and I wonder if their beds won't change once there isn't pressure?
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They bed to watch hunter access often.
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what do you think about them completely changing patterns and bedding locations once pressure dies down??
am i giving them far too much credit??
the area gets hammered...literally hammered...6 weeks of archery and 2 weeks or rifle and there are hunters in the woods pretty much every day for those 8 weeks...plus small game and fall turkey hunters...plus we coon hunt the woods hard...
i wanna put this puzzle together....
but at the same time to up my odds im going to focus a lot of my scouting this winter into different areas that dont get as hammered...
we teach these bucks to avoid us...we drive them EVERY day for the 2 week rifle season and atleast a few days of the late flintlock season..
the other day is a GREAT example...my buddy pushing for me....he jumped a good buck FIVE different times within a couple hours! he wasnt shot at or wounded...but he was HIGHLY pressured...a couple of those times my buddy nearly stepped on him...we are our own worst enemy....i really believe that if we only pushed each woods once or twice in rifle season we'd do MUCH better...we have permission where many guys dont...if we let the surrounding hunters pressure the other areas for a few days they'd stack into our areas...instead we push them every day and pressure ALL of the areas....and through that they simply learn not to bed where we can go...which means i struggle to get em killed in archery season...
am i giving them far too much credit??
the area gets hammered...literally hammered...6 weeks of archery and 2 weeks or rifle and there are hunters in the woods pretty much every day for those 8 weeks...plus small game and fall turkey hunters...plus we coon hunt the woods hard...
i wanna put this puzzle together....
but at the same time to up my odds im going to focus a lot of my scouting this winter into different areas that dont get as hammered...
we teach these bucks to avoid us...we drive them EVERY day for the 2 week rifle season and atleast a few days of the late flintlock season..
the other day is a GREAT example...my buddy pushing for me....he jumped a good buck FIVE different times within a couple hours! he wasnt shot at or wounded...but he was HIGHLY pressured...a couple of those times my buddy nearly stepped on him...we are our own worst enemy....i really believe that if we only pushed each woods once or twice in rifle season we'd do MUCH better...we have permission where many guys dont...if we let the surrounding hunters pressure the other areas for a few days they'd stack into our areas...instead we push them every day and pressure ALL of the areas....and through that they simply learn not to bed where we can go...which means i struggle to get em killed in archery season...
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They can change beds for sure during summer. Seen it plenty of times.
And yes I seen them bedding near permanent stands quite a bit.
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Patterns do change due to pressure and season, figuring that out takes scouting. If your driving every inch of that property I do believe your hurting yourselves more than helping. You will kill more deer doing drives for sure, but you will not have an easy time getting a buck to stay on the property and survive to be mature.
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Thanx guys!
The more I think about patterns changing the more I KNOW they do...that buck the other day....he vanished..assiming he is the same buck my buddy missed...he left the area for a few weeks...but he was very near where my buddy missed him when he jumped him for me the first time..
It clicks now why I find it so hard to bow hunt here sometimes...especially older bucks...they got old by learning where we can't go...
My buddy farms a lot of the land...he's the only reason I have permission at most places...and he only rifle hunts..he has the patience of a toddler....he can sit about 10 minutes max lol...
On top of us we aren't the only crew that drives deer...and on top of that countless other hunts hunt the area...
I'd just like to know where the big bucks "disappear" to...maybe they don't leave but have bullet proof bedding areas and dip out going unnoticed by us....or maybe they do leave and have a hidden patch somewhere people just never go...
And I still may have a crack at them in archery season....
One thing I've noticed in the 10 years I've hunted with the crew in rifle season is when we kill a good buck its almost always in strange woods...or woods we only hit once or twice a season...that's no coincidence IMO...we get 1-3 GOOD bucks spotted each year before the season...and rarely ever kill them..but we routinely kill nearly every legal 1.5 and 2.5yo buck to be found...by the time they make it to 3.5+ they know us way too well...
I started to spread my wings this rifle season and am working at going out on my own in new areas....I think that'sthe way iI gotta go if I wanna kill big bucks...if I can't/don't get one killed in archery season...
I am learning....that's key....keep learning and trying new tactics and keep scouting...
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The more I think about patterns changing the more I KNOW they do...that buck the other day....he vanished..assiming he is the same buck my buddy missed...he left the area for a few weeks...but he was very near where my buddy missed him when he jumped him for me the first time..
It clicks now why I find it so hard to bow hunt here sometimes...especially older bucks...they got old by learning where we can't go...
My buddy farms a lot of the land...he's the only reason I have permission at most places...and he only rifle hunts..he has the patience of a toddler....he can sit about 10 minutes max lol...
On top of us we aren't the only crew that drives deer...and on top of that countless other hunts hunt the area...
I'd just like to know where the big bucks "disappear" to...maybe they don't leave but have bullet proof bedding areas and dip out going unnoticed by us....or maybe they do leave and have a hidden patch somewhere people just never go...
And I still may have a crack at them in archery season....
One thing I've noticed in the 10 years I've hunted with the crew in rifle season is when we kill a good buck its almost always in strange woods...or woods we only hit once or twice a season...that's no coincidence IMO...we get 1-3 GOOD bucks spotted each year before the season...and rarely ever kill them..but we routinely kill nearly every legal 1.5 and 2.5yo buck to be found...by the time they make it to 3.5+ they know us way too well...
I started to spread my wings this rifle season and am working at going out on my own in new areas....I think that'sthe way iI gotta go if I wanna kill big bucks...if I can't/don't get one killed in archery season...
I am learning....that's key....keep learning and trying new tactics and keep scouting...
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I scouted several parcels during WI's muzzy hunt. I figured with the snow I could see how much hunting pressure they'd had...Two bucks that I jumped and tracked back to their beds were bedding extremely close to permanent stands....At one I tracked the stand user back to a nearby small subdivision. He comes in the "long" thick way and is busted well before he gets to his stand.
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mauser06 wrote:I'd just like to know where the big bucks "disappear" to...maybe they don't leave but have bullet proof bedding areas and dip out going unnoticed by us....or maybe they do leave and have a hidden patch somewhere people just never go...
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I know a lot of bucks survive by laying low right under the hunter's noses and by holding tight. You pretty much have to step on them, twice, to get them up.
A lot of guys wonder 'where do the bucks go?' The answer a lot of times is that they don't go anywhere. Literally, they do not budge out of the little nook or cranny they have wedged themselves into.
One time I was doing a drive on a heavy pressure farm in PA. This was about the 4th time we drove this small piece in 2 weeks. I was walking a logging road on a bench poking in and out of some briars, I knew the bucks bed right on this bench during archery. I was standing in a spot looking down over the ridge wondering 'where did the bucks go?' I looked back up the ridge and in the briars, which we had already pushed out several times that season. I decided I would push them again. I crawled up on the trunk of a huge deadfall to look into the thicket. I stood up there a few minutes and when I went to climb down the other side I slipped and fell and let out a loud yell when I did. I heard a loud commotion and looked over to see two huge bucks jump up from the top of the deadfall. These bucks let me stand around for bout 10 minutes within 20 yards of them and would have never moved if I didn't startle them.
That experience opened my eyes. They were bedded less than 30 yards right above the logging road that all the hunters use. No chance you could see them without stepping on them pretty much.
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A couple days ago I found a bucks late season bedding area right behind a barn that's about 20 yards off the road. It is a cluster of small trees with some goldenrod around it and is probably only about the size of someones bedroom. I drove by this spot a hundred times during the season. I also hunted not too far from it, but never got close because I never thought a deer would be there. It is in the memory bank for next year, live and learn!
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