tribal lands ?

[dreaming bucks]

I know some fella's that live up between Hurley and Saxon, that Salmon fish Lake Superior.... Now, they tell me that the Natives net Lake superior so bad that there is nothing left....... Now, I'm just going by what they say, so please don't shoot the messenger here, but that is what they tell me... Big huge boats that net fish until they don't want to anymore.... If that's true, it's pretty sad for the rest of us trying to catch one on a line trolling...... just my .02

[tim]

i hope this stays calm i wasnt looking to start a war, just was wondering ......

[DEERSLAYER]

...Deerslayer each tribe has the right to allow anyone they want to hunt on their land. It is private land. They cannot deviate from state season and if they charge or not is up to them. I am 25% native american, just enough to be enrolled, so it is not just full blooded. My kids are considered direct decendants and can hunt the same as I can until they are adult. After that they can use the tribal lands but have to follow the state season...

Thanks for clarifying natvbearhntr. It's nice to have a member like you on here in a position to know these things.

[Hilts]

I know some fella's that live up between Hurley and Saxon, that Salmon fish Lake Superior.... Now, they tell me that the Natives net Lake superior so bad that there is nothing left....... Now, I'm just going by what they say, so please don't shoot the messenger here, but that is what they tell me... Big huge boats that net fish until they don't want to anymore.... If that's true, it's pretty sad for the rest of us trying to catch one on a line trolling...... just my .02

It's true that they take more than their fair share, but they aren't the only ones with nets out there. There is a lot of commercial fishing also. Those nets do really suck.

[dan]

Natvbearhntr,
My great grandmother was full Native American... My father had the high cheek bones, reddish skin and black hair. You can't see it much in me though...
I have always been told she was Menominee, and thats what I believe. But recently a relative said they found evidence that She was Ojibwa...
I didn't care much about it when I was younger, and now everybody from past generations in my family is dead. Carol tried real hard to track down my heritage but it was not easy, and I think she has finally given up.

I hear you about the ignorance, I hear a lot of comments from people who do not know I am part Native American. I appreciate you taking the time to explain the truth about seasons and bag limits... You hear lots of stories and never know what the truth is until someone like yourself speaks up.
As far as vandals, and poachers, there are bad people in every race and every area. The color of your skin, or where your ancestors came from has nothing to do with it.

[Brad]

I think the Native Americans are often times singled out unfairly. I have never been on a reservation and probably never will be, but I can see where someone see's one person do something out of line and next thing you know, that entire race is labeled as being the same. I have seen that around my area with Hmong hunters, I have heard all the stories but in all honesty I have never seen anything that everyone else always speaks of. I was going out bowhunting a few years ago and was just leaving the truck and a man pulled up who was Hmong and going to hunt squirrels. He politely asked if I was going to hunt deer and I said yes, and he said well I only want squirrels, I will go down the road and hunt there and leave the area undisturbed for you. He did not have to do that and I appreciated it, it was very generous and I hope he filled his limit.

One of my co-workers is Hmong and we talk hunting all the time, might even get together this year and do some hunting together.

I agree that some races do like to play the race card a lot, and that is getting super old, but there is not much I can do about that so I try not to worry over things I have no control over.

[Hodag Hunter]

I think the Native Americans are often times singled out unfairly. I have never been on a reservation and probably never will be,

"I only call 'em as I see 'em"........Trust me, things are not good and rosey in the northwoods, vilas and oneida county specific.

I was in the res fishing last night (in appleton today).....nothing happened except one indian asking me for money when I got to the launch (met a bud who was fishing already) and another when we were pulling out how we did.

The last guy seemed decent enough until I saw the other trucked parked (idleing) where my truck was parked....figure the guy by us was a deversion and walked pretty briskly to my truck and the idleing vehicle pulled off.

Maybe jumping to conclusions.........but then again probably not. We just happened to pull the boat in just in time.

Like Dan said there is poachers and vandels in every race......but we also know not to leave a nice vehicle in some areas of Milwaukee and some places on the reservation it's the same way. It's a not a racist thing......just the way it is and sugar coating it doesn't change the fact.

[Dewey]

Hodag......

Is this just on res land you had these problems?
We have been fishing Vilas/Oneida for over 20 years and none of us have ever had any problems whatsoever. Maybe we have just been lucky so far I suppose. I remember hearing something awhile back about teenagers (not Indians) breaking into vehicles at boat landings around Eagle River but we have personally never had any issues.

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[Hodag Hunter]

Hodag......

Is this just on res land you had these problems?
We have been fishing Vilas/Oneida for over 20 years and none of us have ever had any problems whatsoever. Maybe we have just been lucky so far I suppose. I remember hearing something awhile back about teenagers (not Indians) breaking into vehicles at boat landings around Eagle River but we have personally never had any issues.

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I would say 80% percent of problems are on res lands.....the other 20% is lakes/woods close to boundaries.

No disrespect Dewey but how many days a year do you land your boat in Vilas? Not trying to be a snob.....but if one lands 50-75 times a year he is bound to run into more problems than a boat that only hits Vilas 10-20 (estimate?) a year.

For the record there is certain lakes we have just learned it isn't worth it.....other lakes are hit and miss and again, other spots with no problems.

[magicman54494]

Now to answer some of the other comments here:

magicman54494 there is a lot of vandalism when tribal members see non tribal memebers vehicles parked in certain hunting areas that are open to the public. The reason for this is because of comments like the ones that have been posted here. How can a people that talk so negatively about native americans have the balls to show up and hunt on land within the reservation boundries? And I am not saying it is everyone but the few comments that are posted here are what we hear all the time. I just helped a group of guys pull a bear off trust land within the reservation borders and I suggested they put all their equipment in the locked vehicle because I knew had they left it someone would have come by and taken it. Now let me ask you a question. Are you a private business owner? Do you own your own private land? If I was a customer at your business would that give me the right to hunt your personal private land? Doesn't make sense to me that I would even think I had that right. So if you choose to visit a casino why would think that would make it ok to hunt reservation land?

Maybe I was given false info from the local wardens? I asked them about forest crop land in the bad river reservation. They said that I could hunt it. Were they wrong about this? They also really made a point to warn me about the vandalism that takes place. They told me it just ain't worth the trouble. If I have a right to hunt there why should I have to worry about vandalism? It just aint right! What if the reverse would happen? What if you being of Indian heritage were vandalized for attempting to hunt public land off the reservation? How would you feel?
I stand by my statement that non indians are welcomed open arms to visit the casino but are not showed the same welcome when attempting to hunt (according to the local wardens). Now if the wardens were wrong in saying that I had a legal right to hunt I could understand people being upset. If I don't have a right to hunt there then so be it, it's no different than any other private land. I heeded the warnings from the wardens and have never hunted there. I have no ill will against Indians (my best friend thru tech school was Eskimo Indian). I just want the right to hunt unmolested where I have a right to hunt where ever it is. I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts about vandalism and if you believe it happens and if you believe it's right or justified. I'd like to hear how tribal members feel about non's hunting legal hunting land within the reservation. If all my info is incorrect then here's your opertunity to set things right.

[goldtip5575]

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Nice, calm response. I just forwarded the link to this topic to a friend in northern WI who constantly talks about the Native Americans in that area. He is always saying how they load up their trucks with 8 or more guys and go road hunting everyday for anything they see while drinking beer during the entire hunt. When asked if he ever witnessed this, his answer no, but everyone knows that is what "they" do! Thank you for clarifying.

Mike

That isn't 100% B.S. up in this neck of the woods. I don't know about the truck loads of guys, but I have witnessed that activity on more than one occasion. There has also been a few different nights, while bow hunting in september, where I have heard more gunshots than on opening day of gun season. And most of those that were in close proximity were preceded by the slowing down of a vehicle---gun shots--- vehicle driving away. Vehicle coming back later to drag deer out.

You sure its not white red-necks doin all the shootin.You know they would never do that road huntin beer thing........

[Dewey]

Hodag......

Is this just on res land you had these problems?
We have been fishing Vilas/Oneida for over 20 years and none of us have ever had any problems whatsoever. Maybe we have just been lucky so far I suppose. I remember hearing something awhile back about teenagers (not Indians) breaking into vehicles at boat landings around Eagle River but we have personally never had any issues.

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No disrespect Dewey but how many days a year do you land your boat in Vilas? Not trying to be a snob.....but if one lands 50-75 times a year he is bound to run into more problems than a boat that only hits Vilas 10-20 (estimate?) a year.

The last few years I have not fished in Vilas/Oneida quite as much but previous years I would say I averaged between 20-25 days fishing up there so I guess you have a valid point. Like I said maybe I have just been lucky or fishing the good lakes.

My point was that if something happens we should not automatically point fingers at the indians. There is plenty of other riff raff up there as well. I am shocked when I read the Vilas paper and read about all of the drug arrests going on up there.

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[Crazinamatese]

Im not insinuating anything here, but some reservations I have been too are pretty cool with outsiders, and a few are not. Its the young gang bangers that seem to cause much of the trouble. I lived in northern Minnesota once and had a few good experiences and one bad experience while inside reservations. I will leave it at that. But, there are so many bad rumors up there involving the reservations. Those rumors get blown out of proportion too. My Great Grandmother also, was a full blood Ojibwa.

[Carol]

Natvbearhntr,
My great grandmother was full Native American... My father had the high cheek bones, reddish skin and black hair. You can't see it much in me though...
I have always been told she was Menominee, and thats what I believe. But recently a relative said they found evidence that She was Ojibwa...
I didn't care much about it when I was younger, and now everybody from past generations in my family is dead. Carol tried real hard to track down my heritage but it was not easy, and I think she has finally given up.

I hear you about the ignorance, I hear a lot of comments from people who do not know I am part Native American. I appreciate you taking the time to explain the truth about seasons and bag limits... You hear lots of stories and never know what the truth is until someone like yourself speaks up.
As far as vandals, and poachers, there are bad people in every race and every area. The color of your skin, or where your ancestors came from has nothing to do with it.

No Carol is still digging into the Infalt Native American Family History. I can trace the Infalts back to 1550. The Native American part is the tricky part. But I have a lot of Native American history for the Infalt Family now.

[natvbearhntr]

I have read all the responses and I have to apologize because I did answer them but accidentally hit "preview" instead of "submit" and then closed the window. I don't want to go back and re-read and re-type everything so if I didn't respond to a question please let me know and I will address it.

magicman54494 my apologies for misunderstanding your original thread. I didn't know you were referring to forest crop land. I thought you were just referencing the tribal lands in general. Everything you said was correct. You have the legal right to hunt forest crop land that is within the reservation. On my reservation you have less than a 1% chance your car will be vandalized. If you leave a camera or stand in the woods you have less than a 1% chance it will be stolen. And you have about a 70% chance someone will drive by and blown the horn. And believe it or not it is a very small group of people doing the all of these things to hunters. Maybe 5 or 6, I know who they are, I have confronted them and I have tried to get them to change there way. If you ever want to hunt on forest crop land within my reservation you can park at my house and I will drive you to the areas you want to hunt. I guess I am just as much at fault for the stereo typing as a non native because like I said I recommended to people hunting forest crop land when we went back to get the guys bear to put all his stuff in his truck so it wouldn't get stolen. He had a bow in a case, 3 section of ladder, and a nice lone wolf tree stand just sitting in the back of his truck. If there were sitting at a state park in the open bed of his truck I believe he would have also had a pretty good chance of this stuff being stolen. Is it worth the hassle? That is a personal question you'd have to ask yourself. There a big bucks on the reservation, at least on mine, and there really isn't a lot of hunting pressure that you see on public land. My offer stands to anyone, if you want to get a plat book and review forest crop land you can park at my house, you can stay in my camper or bring your own camper and I will drive you to the forest crop land you want to hunt.

Hodag I can tell from your posts you have very strong feelings about natives in your area and I am not trying to change your mind I am only trying to put out what I know to be facts about hunting regulations. I believe 100% you have as much trouble up there with vandals and theft as you say and I am sure a good majority comes from the reservation people. Like I said I have seen it personally but I don't know how to correct.

Dan I hear all the negative comments as well. A lot of it comes from my wife's family, non natives, who try to come off as joking but they use the jokes to let out how they feel. I don't let it bother me because like I have said previously I know the truth and arguing with them just strengthens their views.