Using cameras to move deer
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Using cameras to move deer
Cameras....great tools for hunting but can be the demize of your hunting location. Do any of you put cameras in locations that move deer to your hunting location? I've done this for a couple years now with some success. It seems that the mature deer you get on camera for 24 or so hours than gone. I get them looking right at the camera (like their studying the darn thing or nosing it) and GONE. I'm using the Bushnell's that have the Blackout feature but I'm sure they scent the camera out anyway. I check cameras once a month and usually a day it is raining or will rain. I bought the cameras for the longevity of battery life. Do you think if you have a spot where it would be almost impossible to hunt that you could put a camera near his bed and think he would relocate to the next area, that he would take residency in the place that would be more andvantageous to kill him? Kind of like bumping and dumping (less intrusive) but using cameras?
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Re: Using cameras to move deer
I think its the human scent you are leaving more so then the camera itself. I think the camera isnt helping (or is helping in this case.)
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There was a video posted on here about this.The conclusion was more about the height of the camera than it have a flash or scent. They would place a dead cam out and have another cam watching it but only up high. They would have no part of that camera and it was not even working. Put your cam up about head height and point it down and be amazed of the difference. I'm probably up to almost 20,000 pics so far this summer and I have two pics of a doe looking at the cam and thats it. Im 6'2 and have been placing all my cam probably around the 6 ft mark and have had outstanding success with pics and the deer seem to have no clue that its there. In previous season I got way less pics and when I did there were alot of the mature doe smelling the cam and if I did get a buck he usually freaked and that was the last of it. Do yourself a favor and give it a shot!!
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rack addict wrote:There was a video posted on here about this.The conclusion was more about the height of the camera than it have a flash or scent. They would place a dead cam out and have another cam watching it but only up high. They would have no part of that camera and it was not even working. Put your cam up about head height and point it down and be amazed of the difference. I'm probably up to almost 20,000 pics so far this summer and I have two pics of a doe looking at the cam and thats it. Im 6'2 and have been placing all my cam probably around the 6 ft mark and have had outstanding success with pics and the deer seem to have no clue that its there. In previous season I got way less pics and when I did there were alot of the mature doe smelling the cam and if I did get a buck he usually freaked and that was the last of it. Do yourself a favor and give it a shot!!
I tried hanging some cameras at over 8ft this year angled down and it makes a huge difference for repeat bucks (some mature) and number of deer I have knowing that they are being pic/vid... at least they don't seem to notice. IMO it makes a difference, hang them high
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I have never actually seen a deer relocate due to a trail cam. However when I have palced more than one or two cameras within a close range, I have seen deer, (bucks) avoid the camera site. They are still using the same general vacinity, but just not getting within 50 yards or so of the camera.
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I think its a great theory. I've heard over and over how they stay in the area but will avoid the camera. So theoretically you might be able to "funnel" them through an area. But I suppose you might be able to accomplish this without the camera but just some other intrusion (scent, object, etc).
I'd like to hear if someone has had success with it too!
I'd like to hear if someone has had success with it too!
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Different areas of the country must have deer that react to cameras differently? I get alot of mature buck repeat pics throughout the year in western WI where I hunt, as do all the surrounding neighbors. But I hear stories like the previous posts, maybe southern WI, and people have all kinds of problems with bucks not showing themselves again after getting picures taken. Strange for sure. Any thoughts on this as well? (Not trying to hyjack the thread)
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U.P. MAN wrote:Different areas of the country must have deer that react to cameras differently? I get alot of mature buck repeat pics throughout the year in western WI where I hunt, as do all the surrounding neighbors. But I hear stories like the previous posts, maybe southern WI, and people have all kinds of problems with bucks not showing themselves again after getting picures taken. Strange for sure. Any thoughts on this as well? (Not trying to hyjack the thread)
I have multiple pics of just about every big buck I have ever photographed. Some are return visitors, some I move a camera around until I find them again. My theory is that big bucks don't abondon areas (they grew up in a certain area (some have bigger ranges) and they are just like you and I = comfortable in that area. Intrusion can shift them some, but I bet donuts to dollars you didn't run him into the next county. He is still right there... years of shed hunting and cameras leave me to believe this is the case. Summer range vs fall range is different, these can be drastically different (miles away). But thier fall core areas are not all that big and I personally have never pushed one out... they stay right in the same vicinity.
Fall range can definetly be bigger in some areas as opposed to others (big woods for example, I believe those deer move more from spot to spot... they have to, does/food/water are typically not concentrated) but if you find a "core area" of mature buck, I bet they spend a good majority of their lives in that 80-160 acres. My 2 cents
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Re: Using cameras to move deer
U.P. MAN wrote:Different areas of the country must have deer that react to cameras differently? I get alot of mature buck repeat pics throughout the year in western WI where I hunt, as do all the surrounding neighbors. But I hear stories like the previous posts, maybe southern WI, and people have all kinds of problems with bucks not showing themselves again after getting picures taken. Strange for sure. Any thoughts on this as well? (Not trying to hyjack the thread)
I usually find this to be the common denominator where mature bucks are frequently caught on cams. If lots of people are using them in the area and/or the deer have grown up getting photographed regularly then then they seem to be more tolerant, but I suspect they still avoid them at times.
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DEERSLAYER wrote:U.P. MAN wrote:Different areas of the country must have deer that react to cameras differently? I get alot of mature buck repeat pics throughout the year in western WI where I hunt, as do all the surrounding neighbors. But I hear stories like the previous posts, maybe southern WI, and people have all kinds of problems with bucks not showing themselves again after getting picures taken. Strange for sure. Any thoughts on this as well? (Not trying to hyjack the thread)
I usually find this to be the common denominator where mature bucks are frequently caught on cams. If lots of people are using them in the area and/or the deer have grown up getting photographed regularly then then they seem to be more tolerant, but I suspect they still avoid them at times.
I agree... but my point is if you move the camera within the same core area you will get pics of him again, he is still there. Some bucks avoid areas where they smelt a human or got a picture taken. I have watched them from the tree stand skirt areas where a camera is stationed but they are still in that same area
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Bucky wrote:DEERSLAYER wrote:U.P. MAN wrote:Different areas of the country must have deer that react to cameras differently? I get alot of mature buck repeat pics throughout the year in western WI where I hunt, as do all the surrounding neighbors. But I hear stories like the previous posts, maybe southern WI, and people have all kinds of problems with bucks not showing themselves again after getting picures taken. Strange for sure. Any thoughts on this as well? (Not trying to hyjack the thread)
I usually find this to be the common denominator where mature bucks are frequently caught on cams. If lots of people are using them in the area and/or the deer have grown up getting photographed regularly then then they seem to be more tolerant, but I suspect they still avoid them at times.
I agree... but my point is if you move the camera within the same core area you will get pics of him again, he is still there. Some bucks avoid areas where they smelt a human or got a picture taken. I have watched them from the tree stand skirt areas where a camera is stationed but they are still in that same area
I completely agree with that bucky. 2 years ago I had a buck that I got pics of that did not like that camera whatsoever. I ended up moving the camera about 40 yards southwest and got pics of him again right away.
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Re: Using cameras to move deer
I think it's a concept that will work.
The hanging question is which trail will he use to side skirt the camera action...?
A few years back I had some good snow while out scouting and placed a cam to try and capture a 4-fingered track.
I went back a week later and could clearly see he dodged that tree.
I moved the cam about 50-yards and that buck did the same thing after checking two weeks later.
The third attempt yield the same result but ran out of snow to try another educated spot.
Never did catch up with that big guy but probably took it out on his offspring this past year
The hanging question is which trail will he use to side skirt the camera action...?
A few years back I had some good snow while out scouting and placed a cam to try and capture a 4-fingered track.
I went back a week later and could clearly see he dodged that tree.
I moved the cam about 50-yards and that buck did the same thing after checking two weeks later.
The third attempt yield the same result but ran out of snow to try another educated spot.
Never did catch up with that big guy but probably took it out on his offspring this past year
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Great points. On our particular piece the same bucks visit the same sites for the most part. Sometimes same bucks on different camera's.I often wondered. If they get "used" to cameras in a area like where we hunt that everyone uses cam's.
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Re: Using cameras to move deer
Not sure about the cameras, don't use them, or even own one. But have seen deer avoid stand sites quite often, I think deer pattern our activities more than we realize. Would say you are probably stacking with your checking of cameras, may want to do a search on that, been discussed on the forum before.
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I have had bucks on camera one year and then not show up the next year and then show up again the next year. I had this patterned in 07. I named him lumpy. I knew the route he was traveling and where he was bedding. I had many pictures of this buck. the day I decided to set up and kill him he didn't show up. I did get a picture of him on another camera an hour before I set up on him (2nd picture). I never saw the buck again.
This buck I named the Beave. I had this buck patterned the same year (07). I set up on him and everything went perfectly. He came by the stand at 10 yards. Unfortunately his entire right beam was busted off, had about a 2 inch stub. I let him go. I never saw that buck again that year or the next year and then the year after that he showed up again.
So to think they stay on pattern or don't change areas is not true all of the time. I do think you could change a bucks pattern by human encroachment or placing a camera in a certain area. I do think most of time they just change living space anyway.
This buck I named the Beave. I had this buck patterned the same year (07). I set up on him and everything went perfectly. He came by the stand at 10 yards. Unfortunately his entire right beam was busted off, had about a 2 inch stub. I let him go. I never saw that buck again that year or the next year and then the year after that he showed up again.
So to think they stay on pattern or don't change areas is not true all of the time. I do think you could change a bucks pattern by human encroachment or placing a camera in a certain area. I do think most of time they just change living space anyway.
You can fool some of the bucks, all of the time, and fool all of the bucks, some of the time, however you certainly can't fool all of the bucks, all of the time.
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