Knowing when an area is HOT, knowing when it's not.
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Knowing when an area is HOT, knowing when it's not.
As I've read Andre say a few times, the problem with some guys is that they don't know when an area is hot and they stop hunting it.....or they don't know when it's NOT but they keep hunting it. Probably not his exact words, but close I believe.
Can anyone explain to me what this really means?
The slamdunk signs to look for when it's hot or when it's not?
Can anyone explain to me what this really means?
The slamdunk signs to look for when it's hot or when it's not?
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Re: Knowing when an area is HOT, knowing when it's not.
I think he said "You need to know when to lay it on and when to back off. Guys will see awesome activity from a stand and back off in fear of ruining that spot"
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I think a classic example would be finding a preferred area they are feeding daily or maybe youre seeing chasing while youre there. That would most likely continue to happen if you account for the variables but yet you fear if you hunt that stand too much you will burn it out.
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So then is he speaking in reference to the rut time frame or outside of that?
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I think trail cameras are great for this. If you all of s sudden are getting a Slob in daylight,time to move in for the kill. Combine this with shining or other observations that top you off. Right moon phase, approaching cold front, sharp decrease in temps large fresh tracks etc..
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My best rut spot is a classic example of this. It's downwind of a doe bedding area and early in the season the runway I hunt over is barely just a faint trail but around Oct 31st I notice it is getting used much more and around Nov 1st or 2nd it is usually pounded down to bare dirt from multiple cruising bucks.
When this sign is much more visible I know things are hot and it's time to hunt this stand right now!! It's one of the few rare times I will hunt the same stand 2 days in a row. This usually lasts only a few days and it's very important to recognize things like this and hunt it at just the right time.
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When this sign is much more visible I know things are hot and it's time to hunt this stand right now!! It's one of the few rare times I will hunt the same stand 2 days in a row. This usually lasts only a few days and it's very important to recognize things like this and hunt it at just the right time.
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Me and Andrae spent close to two decades working together at the midwest deer shows selling L/W Treestands... Guys would always come over and ask questions or tell hunting storys. We used to hear guys say a lot that they would see a big buck use a certain trail that was out of range of there stand for several days straight without ever coming close enough for a shot.... Andrae would always look at them like there crazy and say why didn't you move!? You need to hunt the hot action when its hot... He was never a believer in sitting back waiting for the buck to come to him. Bucks patterns can change fast. You need to hunt the active (hot) sign when its active (hot) I think thats pretty much what he was alluding to.
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dan wrote:Me and Andrae spent close to two decades working together at the midwest deer shows selling L/W Treestands... Guys would always come over and ask questions or tell hunting storys. We used to hear guys say a lot that they would see a big buck use a certain trail that was out of range of there stand for several days straight without ever coming close enough for a shot.... Andrae would always look at them like there crazy and say why didn't you move!? You need to hunt the hot action when its hot... He was never a believer in sitting back waiting for the buck to come to him. Bucks patterns can change fast. You need to hunt the active (hot) sign when its active (hot) I think thats pretty much what he was alluding to.
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Let's say that you've scouted a spot that looks good in May, but the first time you come back to it is late Oct/early Nov sometime. What tells you it's hot or cold? Or is there no way of truly knowing this?
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if I understand him you can get away with a lot more when it's "Hot". leave some scent or bump some deer when the food is drying up or 'greener' down the road, and you probably won't see them again. But if you disturb a little when they WANT to be in the area, hot doe, tempting food source, best cover, etc and you probably won't run them out of the county---so hunt hard a couple times when they want to be there. Right?
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rochester coops wrote:if I understand him you can get away with a lot more when it's "Hot". leave some scent or bump some deer when the food is drying up or 'greener' down the road, and you probably won't see them again. But if you disturb a little when they WANT to be in the area, hot doe, tempting food source, best cover, etc and you probably won't run them out of the county---so hunt hard a couple times when they want to be there. Right?
I don't really think this is what he meant... You get on a buck ASAP when you know he is on your property or you see him doing something a couple times but you can't expect to get away with more intrusion or mistakes because he is on and wants to be on your property...
For example you see a buck come out to a field edge in the same spot 2 days in a row... On the third day you need to be in that spot but you still have to take the wind and thermals into consideration so he won't smell you and you have to set up cautiously and quietly so he don't see or hear you and you have to hunt the set right away before he figures out you have it there...
Andrea also mentioned hunting a ghost which I took as the other side of the coin... Basically if you know, or don't really think a targeted buck is on your property don't waist your time trying to hunt him there... But once he shows up get on him and kill him before he leaves again
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I think Dan hit the nail on the head. He offered the same interpretation that I have of it. When you have evidence of a buck doing something during daylight, make a move as soon as possible to get in on that buck. If an area is hot, it means that it's got a high possibility of success - I call a hot area an area where I think I got a big one pretty pinned down and figured out.
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moondoondude wrote:I think Dan hit the nail on the head. He offered the same interpretation that I have of it. When you have evidence of a buck doing something during daylight, make a move as soon as possible to get in on that buck. If an area is hot, it means that it's got a high possibility of success - I call a hot area an area where I think I got a big one pretty pinned down and figured out.
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One thing to remember it's not the bucks that cause an area to be hot during the rut it's the does. A doe in estrous will draw a lot of bucks into that area. If she hangs out in that area, it will become sweet for the bucks. The scent the doe leaves around is a magnet for bucks. If the doe is close to estrous and is feeding on acorns that feeding area will be hot. The area can dry up just as fast. The doe is chased off and goes to a secluded place with a buck. Now the area becomes cold. Or the doe is chased off the property to a property a mile away. If you can find a good buck bedding area and a good doe bedding area and set up in between during the rut. I think you will be very successful. If you can set up in between two doe bedding areas during the rut that isn't so bad either. In my opinion the closer to buck bedding early season is key and the key to rut hunting is getting close to doe bedding areas. Another hot hunting area can happen after the rut. Bucks will tend to focus on food sources and bedding. In my opinion this is the best time of the year to kill the old boy, if not hunting Beast style. Hunt close to the bedding area in between food and bed. Also think about this, are there more deer living and moving in thick heavy cover or open fields?
You can fool some of the bucks, all of the time, and fool all of the bucks, some of the time, however you certainly can't fool all of the bucks, all of the time.
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Hunter74 wrote:rochester coops wrote:if I understand him you can get away with a lot more when it's "Hot". leave some scent or bump some deer when the food is drying up or 'greener' down the road, and you probably won't see them again. But if you disturb a little when they WANT to be in the area, hot doe, tempting food source, best cover, etc and you probably won't run them out of the county---so hunt hard a couple times when they want to be there. Right?
I don't really think this is what he meant... You get on a buck ASAP when you know he is on your property or you see him doing something a couple times but you can't expect to get away with more intrusion or mistakes because he is on and wants to be on your property...
For example you see a buck come out to a field edge in the same spot 2 days in a row... On the third day you need to be in that spot but you still have to take the wind and thermals into consideration so he won't smell you and you have to set up cautiously and quietly so he don't see or hear you and you have to hunt the set right away before he figures out you have it there...
Andrea also mentioned hunting a ghost which I took as the other side of the coin... Basically if you know, or don't really think a targeted buck is on your property don't waist your time trying to hunt him there... But once he shows up get on him and kill him before he leaves again
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I meant you can get away with some 'pressure' in that you don't have to let the area 'cool down' from your scouting/setting a stand. I generally wouldn't advise walking around an area one day and hunting it later that day or the next. (I don't even like to leave ANY bootprints anywhere on the property that a deer might cross for a couple weeks or more before the hunt.) That would be too much pressure and under my conventionally thinking it would be a poor hunting decision to hunt right after scouting. But if the sign is hot you can get away with a little of this type of disturbance, (not the kind of disturbance where you set up upwind or make noise, etc) and should take advantage of the opportunity. Thats my take on it, but also agree w/what you're saying and maybe you explained his intent better.
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