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Observations RE: Hill COuntry DVD

Unread postby JV NC » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:12 am

One of the main problems I have with Dan's methods (relax and hear me out) is the notion that bucks bed in the same place.....day after day after day. When I say "place", I mean actual imprint of the deer sized place.

One of the very first things I hear in the Hill Country DVD is Dan and the co-host talking about bucks were bedding everywhere. Come on in...the water's fine! :)

Now, it did go on to explain that there are clues that need to be observed to make it easier (more of an educated endeavor) to pick which bed. Conceded. I'll be watching that part a few more times.

The leeward ridge bedding is great. That's a LOT to digest and transpose to your hunting areas. LOT is an understatement.

In the beginning, it mentions does bedding in the thicker stuff. Towards the end, it mentions them preferring more open areas. Just wondering if I interpreted this incorrectly. Not a big deal, at all (seriously). I'm "good" on my doe bedding areas, here. Just curious. I can't recall a doe bedding area, here, being in an open area.

It makes me want to walk around, more. That's for sure.


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Re: Observations RE: Hill COuntry DVD

Unread postby Zap » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:16 am

JVNC I dont remember the doe bed in open area part, but I typically only see that at night.

I think you have to keep in mind that I beleive Dan is mainly talking about older bucks.
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Re: Observations RE: Hill COuntry DVD

Unread postby JV NC » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:17 am

I think you have to keep in mund that I beleive Dan is mainly talking about older bucks.


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Re: Observations RE: Hill COuntry DVD

Unread postby Zap » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:23 am

Around here older bucks behave differently than younger bucks.

I feel their bedding behavior is also different.

Find a safe place, bed there often.
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Re: Observations RE: Hill COuntry DVD

Unread postby JV NC » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:25 am

I assumed when they talked about bucks in the DVD, they were talking about bucks that they would be hunting.

If I'm wrong, someone please let me know.
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Re: Observations RE: Hill COuntry DVD

Unread postby Zap » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:29 am

I cannot speak for Dan, but when I am looking for a core area I am looking for sign that an older buck lives there.
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Re: Observations RE: Hill COuntry DVD

Unread postby JV NC » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:39 am

Zap....how does any of that conflict with my observations from the DVD?

How big do you think a mature buck's core is? Check that.....

How small do you think a mature buck's core is?
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Re: Observations RE: Hill COuntry DVD

Unread postby GRFox » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:52 am

JV NC wrote:Zap....how does any of that conflict with my observations from the DVD?

How big do you think a mature buck's core is? Check that.....

How small do you think a mature buck's core is?


The core area is the immidiate area outside of the bed including the staging area. Depending on the terrain/ habitat that can range anywhere from 50 to 200 yards from the bed. This is the area where the buckk spends 99 percent of his daylight movement.

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Re: Observations RE: Hill COuntry DVD

Unread postby JV NC » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:57 am

How many beds might you think that buck has in those +/- 35ac's?
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Re: Observations RE: Hill COuntry DVD

Unread postby Zap » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:57 am

Not sure what your observations from the dvd are, except what you said about the doe bedding and buck bedding.

I think older deer have a small core area that they know well and feel comfortable in.

When I think about bucks I believe after three years old they behave alot differently than younger deer, those differences become more pronounced as they put on the years.

Therefore I do not find it hard to believe that an older buck would reuse the same exact bed that has kept him safe in the past, but not always the same one...
When you couple that with Dan and Andrae's observations.....and the fact that I believe they are both very open and honest when discussing what they know about deer behavior.....and they both talk about a "few" beds that a buck uses regularly....not one specific bed that is always used.



I was not trying to conflict with your opinions...just giving mine.
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Re: Observations RE: Hill COuntry DVD

Unread postby Zap » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:00 am

JV NC wrote:How many beds might you think that buck has in those +/- 35ac's?



That would depend on how many spots give the buck an advantage depending on wind/thermal/sight/hearing.

I do not believe that a buck survives by laying down at random places to spend most of his daylight time.
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Re: Observations RE: Hill COuntry DVD

Unread postby GRFox » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:02 am

JV NC wrote:How many beds might you think that buck has in those +/- 35ac's?


It may only be 1 bed it may be 2. Like I said it depends on the terrain and habitat. If it is on a point off the side of the ridge there may be a bed on either side of the point. 2 beds for different winds.

In a briar thicket or cattails they will usually bed in one specific bed. We are talking about Mature deer.

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Re: Observations RE: Hill COuntry DVD

Unread postby GRFox » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:04 am

Zap wrote:
JV NC wrote:How many beds might you think that buck has in those +/- 35ac's?



That would depend on how many spots give the buck an advantage depending on wind/thermal/sight/hearing.

I do not believe that a buck survives by laying down at random places to spend most of his daylight time.


Correct. If a buck just flopped down and bedded all over the place he would not make it to maturity. Its just not how it works.

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Re: Observations RE: Hill COuntry DVD

Unread postby JV NC » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:05 am

I do not believe that a buck survives by laying down at random places to spend most of his daylight time.


Nor do I. I think he lays down in the spot that gives him the best chance for survival for that very monent of that very day. If conditions change (and, they eluded to this in the DVD, also, BTW), he moves. There's nothing random about it.
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Re: Observations RE: Hill COuntry DVD

Unread postby Zap » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:07 am

JV NC wrote:
I do not believe that a buck survives by laying down at random places to spend most of his daylight time.


Nor do I. I think he lays down in the spot that gives him the best chance for survival for that very monent of that very day. If conditions change (and, they eluded to this in the DVD, also, BTW), he moves. There's nothing random about it.



So you feel that a buck picks specific spots to bed in?
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